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The Koran and the Terrorists

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The Koran and the Terrorists

What is the connection anyway?

http://www.amritas.com/050618.htm#06182006
from JoeUser Forums
Lawrence Auster's reader makes a good point:

"The way to end the "Koran abuse" is simply to take the Korans away. I don't think there is anything legally that requires we provide Korans to war prisoners and terrorists. Frankly, it seems the harder we try to be polite and respectful to these prisoners the more we are hated. So why bother with this courtesy."

And Amritas provides an interesting insight as well:

"Shouldn't they have memorized al-Qur'an by now? Real Muslims don't need paper reminders that can be contaminated by infidels."

But they both miss the major point.

The question is not why do we provide the book to the imprisoned terrorists (and suffer all the bad publicity for it), the question is why do we believe that the terrorists have any valid claim to the Koran at all?

We complain that the Muslim community does not speak up against the terrorists. It is true, they don't. (And those who do often re-define "terrorism" to exclude terrorist acts against Jewish civilians.) But all the official statements made by Arab dictators (those on the "good side", including our "key ally" Saudi Arabia) and Islamic scholars tell us that the terrorists are NOT the real Islam, and that Islam is a "religion of peace".

So why don't we accept that as true, and stop treating the terrorists as Muslims? When they are cought, they go to prison. Since they fight outside the law and without clear markings or uniforms, and attack civilians rather than military targets, they don't have any civil rights and are not covered by the Geneva convention (it is their choide and their RIGHT to choose to not be covered by the Geneva convention!). If they go to prison, they do NOT get a Koran, because the holy book of Islam is too good for them! They do NOT get to pray at whatever time they think they should, because for them praying is too late anyway. They do NOT get to complain about Americans mistreating a book, because they will never get to see the book again.

And if the islamic world complains, remind them that Islam is a "religion of peace" and that thus the terrorists are not Muslims and do not deserve access to the Koran.

Problem solved.
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

I realize that many of the left would like to envision that the detainees at Gitmo were all innocent peanut farmers who were rounded up by jackbooted thugs, but the likelihood is that's probably not the case. While there are probably innocent individuals at Gitmo (just as there are in many jails and prisons within our own country), does it not seem disingenuous to oversell the presumption of innocence of the detainees while denying the US government the same presumption of innocence?

This article was well written, but it missed a point it COULD have made; that is, simply asking the Muslim community: which is the worse desecration: the guards' treatment of the Koran, or attacking innocent civilians using the Koran as justification? Anyone who believes Islam to be a religion of peace would have to argue the latter.

Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
"the guards' treatment of the Koran, or attacking innocent civilians using the Koran as justification?"

I'm afraid I am sometimes rather pessimistic about this.

It seems to me that very often the Muslim community, specifically the Arab Muslim community, do indeed believe that treating a book badly is worse than treating a human being badly, specifically when the Koran is used as an excuse for the latter or when the victim is a Jew.

I think it is up to the Muslim community to be outraged over the murder of innocent Jews in the name of their religion. If they are not, I will have to assume that they believe that a book is worth more than a Jew. And as long as the Muslim community have not understood the value of a human life (relative to ANY book), there is just no common ground for a discussion. And that means war.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
Folks,

I have never placed any comment on any subject on the internet before, however, having read the above, I feel I should make my point. I do not wish to cause offense, and frankly do not care if I provoke a reply, as I will probably not come back here to raed them, but here goes.

I used to believe, (and still do, for most things in the world), in the idealistic view that everyone is equal, have rights, are decent people deep down inside, and that there is no justification for injustice on any grounds. I think we would all like to believe this is the case.

However, whilst I have the utmost respect for all peoples rights to believe their religion, and for all nationalities of the world, including Iraqies, Afghans, and Americans, one thing recently made me feel that some things go beyond this.

People can believe what they want, as long as it doesn't affect me or hurt anyone else. But, when I go on the internet and see a video of a group of men cutting off the head of an innocent man with a knife, while he lies there screaming and begging for his life, it makes me feel so sick that if you gave me a gun and put me into a room with them, I honestly don't know what I would do. (But I certainly know what I would do if that was a member of MY familty they slaughtered!)

These people, who call themselves religeous men, forfeit the right to ANY respect when they are caught. They have NO rights, and deserve NOTHING from any civilised country.

I agree that you cannot assume that all these prisoners are guilty, and it is not beyond possibility that there are some innocent amongst them, but I assume that they were all captured in a combat zone in some sort of incriminating situation. It is possible that a soldier simply chose someone at random to arrest, but I doubt it.

Everyone has a different view on this, as evidenced above, and I am certainly not trying to change anyone's mind on the subject, but I feel that, if the evidence is there, and certainty is established, then any rights that person would once have been entitled to are gone, and they should be treated no better than the sub-human scum they are.

Thanks for reading.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Well, why don't you try getting detained. thrown in jail, arrested, or whatever you want to call it, in...oh...say Saudi Arabia and asking for a Holy Bible. Oh...wait...that's right...it's illegal to own a Holy Bible in Saudi Arabia. Getting caught with one will get you arrested."

Perhaps we should learn from our Muslim friends.

Israel could, for example, announce that they recognise the wisdom of the Saudi princes and will henceforth treat Palestinians the same way Saudi Arabia treats Jews. From then on, it would be Saudi Arabia's responsibility to improve the conditions of the Palestinians. However Saudi Arabia feels Jews and Palestinians should be treated, it would be implemented. Very easy.