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Why Was Longhorn 5203 Removed?

Why Was Longhorn 5203 Removed?

Does anyone know why this skin has been removed from the site? Is there a problem with it we should know about?
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Reply #51 Top
Reply #52 Top

It won't have been removed from Devart as yet because the administration there are too busy removing each other instead.

It'd be poetic justice if Microsoft lawyered-up on them unbeknownst and bit them in their corporate bum....

Reply #53 Top
So, the two IT pariahs of the moment slugging it out! Where can we find a ringside seat?
Reply #54 Top
What's MS going to do when the new Windowblinds comes out supporting Vista-like transparenscies? If they're this paranoid about the Vista look getting out into the public pre-launch, then they probably won't like the next WB release at all.
Reply #55 Top
Stardock is a 'Certified Gold Partner' or 'Gold Certified Partner' (whatever) with MS, so, once the OS goes gold, I doubt there will be any problems.
Reply #56 Top

I have restored the skin.  While I agree that Microsoft has every right to request the removal of the skin, they do not have the right to selectively enforce that right.  That is, they can't simply ask us to remove it but not request the other sites to do so as well.  I had informed Microsoft we would not agree with selective enforcement again.  It's been nearly a week and they still have done nothing.  The skin is available in countless forms (including .msstyles) on various websites.  And while Kol's is the closest to the Windows Vista look and feel, there are countless other similar skins that have been available for motnh.

If they are serious in their concern over skins inspired by the Windows Vista look & feel remaining off the net, we'll be happy to oblige them.  But we're not going to be the only skin site that doesn't have it simply because we're friends with Microsoft and thus are more familiar with what's happening on WC.

During the "Whistler" beta in May of 2001, we were working on a version of WindowBlinds then called WindowBlinds XP.  During that beta, we had figured out how to get WindowBlinds to apply .msstyles WITHOUT having to patch any DLLs. It was a clean "native" way of doing it (ironcially, the person at Stardock who figured this out now works at Microsoft but that's another story).  Microsoft requested that we take this ability OUT of WindowBlinds because they did not want third-party msstyles due to support and branding concerns at the time.  We complied with Microsoft's wish.  4 months later, Style XP was released by a new company called TGT Soft.  Not only did Microsoft not do anything to try to stop them, but they allowed TGT Soft to falsely claim that Microsoft supported what they were doing.  Only months later, on a web post, did a Microsoft spokesperson -- on deviantART, state that they did not want to see third-party .msstyles but it was too little too late.

To make a long story short, Stardock, which owns this site, is not going to suffer through selective enforcement again.  We abided by Microsoft's wishes during the Windows XP beta and the result has been 3 years of hacked uxthemes, msstyles advocates falsely claiming WindowBlinds is "bloated" (even though it's essentially identical in implementation to uxtheme except with more features and HW acceleration) and of course TGT Soft.

Reply #58 Top
Without wanting to seem a little "sucky" - Brad, your courage and commitment to customers and the skinning community in this instance is another reason why I will always support Stardock and its products. Well done!
Reply #59 Top
I agree with you, Brad. If anyone who has read what I have written on the subject, I differ heavily with being selective in terms of this. If Microsoft has a stance on "look and feel", they need to bite the bullet and enforce it across the board, instead of winking at some and threatening others.
Reply #60 Top
Absolutely. Microsoft are just worried that people will quickly discover that these new "innovations" in Vista are actually possible on XP without a significant loss of system resources (I'm making the natural assumption that the next WindowBlinds release works well!).

Stardock should keep doing as they've always done: releasing great new features that work NOW, not in the grim darkness of the far future...
Reply #61 Top
or maybe, microsoft is afraid the market for Windows Vista will be lesser than expected because WB5, which i hope will be release very very soon, can support
Vista-like transparenscies
. thus, users of XP won't be swayed as easily because
people will quickly discover that these new "innovations" in Vista are actually possible on XP without a significant loss of system resources
.
this is a more of a speculation anyway.

or is Microsoft afraid that WB will steal the thunder when Vista will be out in the market thus the
selective
removal request to WC library?... you see, Vista-like skins will have proliferated over a year when Vista will be released. Maybe MS doesn't like to harbor the notion that "Transparency fever" won't be much celebrated in this new OS when it comes out of its shell.
Reply #62 Top
Well done Brad. I have to tip my hat off to you for such decision.
Reply #63 Top
I agree with Brad. He has logic in his statements.

Congrats!

And KoL:
I would be honored to have MS selectively remove my skin because of its accuracy.