Saint Ying

Reply to USA vs. Europe: Freedom vs. Fairness in International JoeUser Forums

The past doesn't exist so that we can keep scores and form judgements on continents and nations, but rather so that in examining it through the discipline of history, we can better understand our existence and identity. European nations have experienced more 'history' in the last century than the United States has experienced throughout it existence. Should we hold that against them, or should we credit them with making a concerted effort to glean

Reply to Zell Miller .....A Democrat this Republican respects! in Politics JoeUser Forums

Meanwhile, I will feel free to respect Lincoln Chaffee, Arlen Specter, John McCain, Susan Collins, and Olympia Snowe.

Reply to Wake Up America! in Politics JoeUser Forums

If the Bush administration were playing the NBC reality TV show 'The Apprentice', Donald Trump would have wasted no time in saying 'you're fired' and trying someone new in office before they screw up again and send troops to Pakistan or something. It amazes me to see how tolerant some Americans are for presidents who screw up big time and lie about it.

Reply to How minimum wage costs jobs in Politics JoeUser Forums

I noticed that Saint Ying made the claim that the Middle Class has an 'increasing tax burden.' What stats have you been looking at? The rich currently foot >50% of the bill, and even if there's not enough income some of them buy bonds too, in addition to their income taxes. </T

Reply to Gay Marriage Advocates Care About Nobody But Themselves in Politics JoeUser Forums

All I want is for gay marriage advocates to be consistant. How the Hell is consistency in one's beliefs irrational? Are you kidding me? Gay marriage advocates have been extremely consistent in their view that marriage should be an institution of union between two consenting adults. Your argument is as s

Reply to How minimum wage costs jobs in Politics JoeUser Forums

The problem with those who advocate higher minimum wages is that they really don't seem to be that concerned about whether it actually solves a problem.They just want to be, like Everett, showing their compassion. Never mind if raising minimum wage will toss people out of jobs and turn them into dependents.

Reply to Time For Kids is Biased! in Politics JoeUser Forums

If your kids don't learn what a corrupt and self-serving scumbag George Bush is now, they'll certainly learn in college when they study U.S. history and foreign policy. That is, if they get to college. As for the Time Magazine, it's no suprise to me. The media has just left the dark woods of pre election year coverage, where any hint of liberal bias or disloyalty to the president is viewed as unpatriotic. News outlets are now free to safely po

Reply to Gay Marriage Advocates Care About Nobody But Themselves in Politics JoeUser Forums

How fun... Now we have one group of conservatives lashing out at gay marriage because they are affraid it will lead to the legalization of polygamy, dog marriage, child marriage, and object marriage, and another group of conservatives lashing out at gay marriage because they are afraid that advocates aren't doing enough to promote the legalization of polygamy, dog marriage, child marriage, and object marriage. It's refreshing to see how dedicated peopl

Reply to How minimum wage costs jobs in Politics JoeUser Forums

This raises a whole slew of questions. For instance, what is the government doing to protect kiosks and the corporations that use them from the terrorism of disgruntled employees and angry leftist protestors? Will not America see an outbreak in anti-kiosk violence? If so, who will arm the kiosks to defend themselves? Perhaps the Department of Homeland Security, already a valuable asset to the government as it prepares for a period of insurgency and civ

Reply to USA vs. Europe: Freedom vs. Fairness in International JoeUser Forums

Many Americans seem alienated from their brethren and spiteful of people who they don't know. Nobody seems to share the same history or heritage. Californians are different from Southerners are different from Midwesterners are different from New-Englanders. We all started out with some basic liberal principals and everyone went their own ways and has interpreted them differently. There seems to be alot of polarization and distrust, but because we are s

Reply to The left and hatred in Democrat JoeUser Forums

I wasn't aware that Baker was such an accomplished linguist. But I'm quite disappointed with his style, because he doesn't seem to be saying anything new, he's just arguing that liberals say things that might resemble things that they disapprove of. I could explain why we see a difference between 'fag' and 'homophobe', and I could run that argument on many levels, but I don't think it would settle his conviction that liberals are hypocrites, a convicti

Reply to Killing Yassin in International JoeUser Forums

If making religious martyrs out of people who threaten the security of your republic worked, we'd all be worshipping Apollo, Bachus, and the Emperor Caesar. Terrorism works, martyrdom works, and the sooner we can get our stubborn asses to realize it the sooner we'll stop the bloodshed.

Reply to The left and hatred in Democrat JoeUser Forums

So you are saying that if I state a belief that homosexuality is unacceptable behavior, that it is the same thing as putting a racist sign on your front door and calling the newspapers and reporting you to them for it? I wonder if you would have that opinon after seeing your name in the newspaper. Don't

Reply to The left and hatred in Democrat JoeUser Forums

Saint Ying: Trent Lott , Jerry Falwell, and Paul Wolfowitz are conservatives. Their values are "traditional". "Militant" doesn't even apply. Have they promoted civil disobedience or anything like what is cited above? There is no comparason between Trent Lott calling himself Conservative and Moby calling himself Liberal. On

Reply to Are you passionate about politics? in Politics JoeUser Forums

I wonder if children of liberal parents are more likely to remain liberal than children of conservative parents are likely to remain conservative, or become more conservative after at first rebelling against their parents values. I would think that neither ideology would be very easy to shake, especially if you are passionate about it from a young age. I think the biggest factors, from my standard theoretical perspective, are worldview, cosmol

Reply to The left and hatred in Democrat JoeUser Forums

Most conservatives don't agree, respect, or associate with the extreme right-wing, and most liberals don't agree with the extreme left-wing. What I do see is a lot of hatred in the mainstream left. Much of the political campaign this year has been nothing but Bush hate. I think John Kerry's thing a few weeks back when he refused

Reply to Are you passionate about politics? in Politics JoeUser Forums

I am a political nut and have been one since I was 7, when I was obsessed with presidents, kings and all sorts of power. I remember making colorful Clinton/Gore signs in second grade, because my parents supported him and I thought he was younger, better looking, and more charismatic than Bush. I'm 19 now and here we are again, but this time I'm gonna have the pleasure of removing a Bush from office with my own vote - and I'll be voting for the candidat

Reply to The left and hatred in Democrat JoeUser Forums

A little logic - I said: I think people need to be much more careful about how they use the term, and avoid broadly characterizing liberals as extremists of any sort, especially if they expect liberals not to label conservatives as fascists or racists. You replied: <TABLE cel

Reply to The left and hatred in Democrat JoeUser Forums

You'd have to decide what Liberals really are. At this point "Liberal" is being used to describe anything from anarchists to on-the-fence conservatives. Conservative values are pretty well defined. No one would call white supremacists out to overthrow the government or secede from the nation "conservative", not if they have a dic

Reply to The left and hatred in Democrat JoeUser Forums

When I think of hate speech, I think of 'Fuck You Faggot', not a couple of youngish democrats talking smack about republicans on a democrat-based message board from the security of their own desktops.

Reply to Division in The Ranks in Politics JoeUser Forums

Oh come on! What kind of pundit doesn't enjoy debating the likely polticial characteristics of the NASCAR Dads? Even if they don't really play any significant role in the election (afterall, they're just run of the mill conservative populists), they're still fun to talk about to provide us with an easily recognizable slice of America. By the way, the term 'NASCAR Dads' doesn't actually mean 'NASCAR Dads'. It's a PC pseudonym for folks with con

Reply to Liberalism vs. Conservatism in Politics JoeUser Forums

Reply #15 By: stevendedalus - 3/22/2004 2:37:53 AM Russell, one star too many; Saint, however, deserves ****[I guess you know where I'm coming from--in a "simplistic sort of way.] I've posted here for merely a few hours, and you're already telling me I deserve s**t! How rude. <img src="../images/smi

Reply to Liberalism vs. Conservatism in Politics JoeUser Forums

That is one of those lines that were it spoken, I wouldn't have believed my ears and asked you to repeat it. The middle class sprung from the grounds of the early renaissance, 600 years ago. It wasn't based upon public education or welfare programs or minimum wage, it appeared when authoritarianism softened and people w

Reply to Liberalism vs. Conservatism in Politics JoeUser Forums

I don't think liberals hate the executive wing of the government. I think they're just skeptical of any institution that tries to accumulate power for itself. Certainly they want all institutions to do their job well, and not infringe beyond its limits. It goes back to Lockian and Jeffersonian ideals and the foundation of liberalism and the United States, but the powers that we oppose are of course different than they were back then, when the free mark

Reply to Liberalism vs. Conservatism in Politics JoeUser Forums

I don't think I demonized conservatives, but I did frame the anaysis from the more theoretical (and by inference liberal) perspective, which is probably the best I can do: For example, 'getting involved with people's lives' and 'regulating the expansiveness of the free market/ religion/ executive branch/ middle class' are essentially the same thing, but I prefer the later because I think it is more precise and objective, while I sense a d