But, you are doing no less by assuming a God existed outside of the universe in the first place. No my friend, i am not doing any such thing. I only concluded hat the universe was created. accordingly it must have a creator. I am not assuming His existance, it is a logical conclusion of the fact tha
I miss the folks you mention and hope they come back soon, me too, does anyone know what happened with Baker? ..... i was away for a while ... then he just diappear. Did i miss something?
I'm fairly certain movies, video games, and advertising are not the reasons . Your doubt about the validity of this statement is very well justified. I never believed it for this simple reason: If advertising (movies and video games are very similar in their effect to advertising) has no effect why is it the main tool of marketting? they have a huge effect on products and services and they initiate certain behaviors and they affec
Claiming that God has existed all along is logical? How is it more logical than a universe that has lasted for "eternity" in some form or another? Remember, you can't apply any of our current laws of the universe to it from the period of t=0 to a unit of plank time. the difference is this: God, by difinition IS the Creator. Not a created entity. the universe is a created entity it does not create anything. does it? it just exists and works according to t
To create a universe, one would assume that some sort of mechanism would have to be applied to accomplish this. Perhaps God Itself would have to have laws to explain its existence or deciding what this God does. Otherwise, much about this God would simply be completely random, so there has to be something explaining why this God does what It does That is the problem .... right there. You assuming a lot about things before the universe existed. t
You are making ignorant statements about free speech. I am the ignorant one? If i say a certain woman is a whore and she sues me for libel because my false statement tarnished her reputation and ruined her creer, i would win? and she loses? did you hear about all these law suits agains
The current government does NOT kowtow to our whims or wishes Neither poll was taken by any American orginazation. Both polls were done by European news organizations not Amer</TD
The universe always was and always will be. Its form will change. First Cause is an argument based on our mind's inability to get a grip on infinity. that assumption has no bases in any logic. theoritical, sure. but that is something else. now you are escaping the fact that real logic leads to His existance. nothing we see in science can explain existance without a cause. not even Quantum Mechanics. and yes our inability to understand Him completely is
Yes, we invaded Iraq, the war was over in 6 weeks and the occupation began. A year later they had their own government freely elected by the people you really must be kidding. isnt that what ALL occupiers do? get a puppet government elected and pretend that they are there by the approval of an elected
stating that God's existence is the only logical explanation for the existance of this Universe is a rather bold statement to make when there's still so much about this universe that we still do not understand. Like I said, it was claimed that the only logical explanation behind the movement of celestial bodies such as the sun was from the existence of a deity that would directly guide the body itself (or in some cases, actually be the said celestial body itself).</div
Imus (and a producer or two) may be racist and sexist but freedom of speech and an understanding of the human condition are so important that we should not so easily tread on them. On face value, this arguement is so convincing to the point it is now a satndard response i hear every time something like this happens. I think the saying :"you repeat a lie so many times and after a while people will believe it is true".
But then came Laplace who was able to demonstrate mathematically how it's possible without the need of a God. But then at that time no one could explain how our biological systems work so well, and so God must be behind that as well, etc. It is amazing, to me, how some scientifically-minded people forget all about science and its principles and rules of logic when it comes to God. In all the examples you mentioned, one thing you ignored. THE LA
where did Jesus refer to all humans as children? What did he mean when he looked at those opposing him and said "you are of your father the devil?" NO TA, there are two fathers. One is God himself and the other is his adversary. KFC, i really dont know how to describe the way you think. First quote, i read "we all are children of God" several times in comments by you and by others. Where did you and them get that statement?
We make creations that agument our abilities all the time, hence machines. As far as physical activities go, our creations surpass us greatly, hence why we might use cars to travel over large distances. We need to wait now until we can create creations that will exceed or augment us mentally now. not
Do insects have an afterlife then? They were created and die just as we do. Why should we be that different? And who says that they dont have one? Heaven (and Hell) have all kinds of things. may be they do have an afterlife. <TABLE cellpadding=8 width="95%" align=center bgColor=#FFF394 class=
Either way, there is still a lot of mystery regarding the creation of the universe, and we shouldn't be quick on making judgements on how it was done. Let's avoid using the God of the Gaps argument so eagerly simply because something was not yet explained yet by science I am assuming that we are talki
Do we have the right to judge or not? yes we do, just restrict that to the words and actions themselves and not interpret those to mean that the people involved are godly or not. that is not our call. in our opinions people can say and do wrong things, we still dont know whether they are themselves godly or not. it is a very fine line but we have to be careful not to cross it.
If you have faith then you will find things to support it. If you don't, there is no logic that is out there to prove anything about any religion Not true at all. Is it logical that things just appear once out of nowhere never to be repeated again? Not only that, but by the laws of physics IT CANT HAPPEN. some will say, i am sure, that Quantum mechanics say IT CAN HAPPEN. but this arguement misses two things: one, who created the laws of Quantum Mechanic
Just to be clear to those like Thinkaloud, logic only gets you so far with religion. Faith is the base. You build your beliefs on a foundation of faith not logic The faith stage comes in at the first stage i.e when you decide is there a god or not. but once you reach the decision that there is a GOD, the 3 points apply. no exception, including the question whether Christ was God or not. if it is logical to you then you are christian , by today's definiti
You want me to validate you as a Godly person and I cannot do that KFC, i do not wish to get into this arguement between you and LW, but please allow me to say this: may be you dont realize few things when you write or express your opinion. the quote above is an example. No one, not you not me not even Prophets and Messengers CAN validate any one of being Godly or not. God did not delegate that job to anyone and HE reserves that for HI
TA, there is simply no comparison between an inanimate object, (a car) and a living, breathing, self-aware human being. That's what invalidates your argument, and marks that statement as 'stupid.' LW, i know very well that difference and that makes my point. with that great difference between humans and something like a car it is still, imho, less than the difference between humans and their Creator. as i said in my comment (the one you quoted from)one h
I can believe in God without being Christian I can believe that my creator created the Earth and everything on it, set everything in motion and left us to play things out. I can believe that he doesn't have a constant hand in everything that happens. I can also believe that our time here is all he is giving us so we better make the most of it. As i said, you cant have it both ways.It is a two-step process. <b
This is going on my "stupidest JU quotes" list. Really? I would love to read your arguement against it. You think We know about the nature of our creator more than the Car knows about its maker?
I simply can't base my life on what one book says. My heart and mind lead me as I feel my God intended. I lead a much more moral life than many of the christians I know. I think heaven and hell are right here for us. I'm not banking on the hereafter. Jill, I am not a preacher or anything remotely similar. so i will just tell you how i look at things. it is very simple really if you keep an open mind. We and this Universe around us did not just
One might assume that if one truly believed in Allah, then one would believe that Allah would never allow HIS holy site to be nuked, right? So, what a way to test ones faith - in two senses at once... First we really cant assume anything about what "HE would do" in any given circumstances. He may allow
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