Since I linked to the polling data for how people responded to the debate, you can see I didn't misquote Gallup. Anyone reading this discussion thread can verify that. Maybe we're talking past each other. You keep citing numbers related to issues or character qualities, while I was clear my numbers described people's overall impression of who won the debat
Actually, you convinced me it would be more accurate to label it "favor Kerry" rather than the original "prefer Kerry". I think the subtitle "Prez Debate 2" makes it clear I'm talking about debate polling. Regarding the question of what qualities voters care about when they vote... Well, more polled viewers favored Kerry's performance, and that's overwhelmingly so for independent voters. We don't really have to debate which qualities mat
Take a look at the transcript -- this is the closest he comes to admitting any mistakes. Bush takes a potshot at some of his appointments, and you're telling me that's him acknowledging a mistake? Bush seem out of touch with the situations in Iraq and America, and all he can do is blame others for his mistakes. GRABEL: President Bush, during the la
The polls show undecided debate viewers overwhelmingly prefer Kerry. I find it hard to believe you're not aware of the perception that Bush's performance in the first debate was -- at best -- erratic and to many appeared angry and unhinged. His eyes rolling, furiously blinking, scowling in the background as Kerry responded to questions. Even Bush is aware of his poor performance -- he referred to it in second debate. WASHI
Those of you who watched last night's debate know what I'm talking about. Bush was asked to list three mistakes, and basically insisted that he'd made none. None. You may remember that he gave the same answer some months ago, when asked at one of his few press conferences. None? Anyone who's interviewed for a job knows that saying "none" means yo
ABC's poll shows that among registered voters who watched the debate, 44% thought Kerry won, 41% thought Bush did. That's within the margin of error, but is consistent with a Gallup poll that showed a Kerry win, and showed Independents overwhelmingly favored Kerry . <!-- J
It seemed strange last night when Bush referred to the "internets", but he was enough better than the twitchy scowling face he showed the week before that I kind of forgot about it. Well, it turns out that he didn't misspeak. Bush has access to a separate better internet, one that
Independents overwhelming favored Kerry's performance in the second presidential debate , according to Gallup . While overall polling show a near tie, with Kerry having a two point advantage, Independents preferred Kerry 53% to 37%. Also, the so called security mom vote appears t
I'm not sure how you can think the Left is particularly uglier than the Right in this election. As I've mentioned, I read both Democratic Underground and Free Republic, and I'd say they're pretty equally ugly/sleezy/crazy. I also think the Swift Vet Attack was showed the same nastiness that's been shown by some of the anti-Bush attacks. And, of course, Karl Rove is famous for smear campaigns. Just ask John McCain, who publically blamed B
If you had asked me last night what conversation I least expected this morning, it would have been learning about Mrs. blogic's secret admiration for Tony Danza. Huh? That was really out of the blue. Flipping through Star magazine, on the way to New Jersey to babysit our nephew, she suddenly started gushing about his new show. The weird thing is, I don't eve
Why was Bush beating up on poor Charlie Gibson? There Charlie was, glasses perched on his nose like some small town librarian, looking as harmless as he does every morning on Good Morning America . Bush was getting in his face, interrupting, and just generally bullying Charlie. That can't look good. America is not reassured, Mr. President
Mrs. blogic and I just got back from a cavernous nightclub where the debate was projected onto an enormous screen. Air America Radio was broadcasting from there, so I got to see some C grade celebrities. In my life, that passes for a major happening. That's a long way of saying that the crowd was biased, and it's really hard to get a good feel for a debat
I think it's basically true that all candidates tell lies, and frankly, the fault isn't theirs, it's ours. The American people are inconsistent, but they expect their leaders to be consistent; which means that politicians have to change their views but always claim they haven't. For example, while I think it's simplistic to say that Kerry was for the War before h
Your post was great IanTyger. I think too many people see these things as black and white, when instead they are all too complex. That said, I think it was a mistake for Bush to focus on Iraq rather than the not-yet-stabilized Afghanistan. If America had focused her resources on making Afghanistan free, maybe the world situation wouldn't seem so scary.
Helix, maybe you missed my post in this converation: "I know very few people who are claiming Kerry is some kind of saint. I know lots of people, though, who think Bush has demonstrated that he's simply not up to handling Iraq and the War Against Terrorism. For whatever reason, Bush seems to be in denial about the reality on the ground, even as generals and senators report on a hemorrhaging situati
I think it's basically true that all candidates tell lies, and frankly, the fault isn't theirs, it's our
"you don't have to take Cheney's word for it, the senate attendance records he quoted are a matter of public record." Fair enough. This is from a September 2003 article : "Before this year, Edwards missed just seven votes out of 1,307 in his first fou
"I think Cheney was mistaken. I don't think he intentionally lied." Do you see that Cheney's statement about his own attendance as Senate President was very misleading?
Messy Buu, I appreciate that you were writing satire, and I'm sorry if I responded more strongly than I should have. The problem is that we know you support Bush, that you've been critical of Kerry, and that you've said those who oppose Bush are too rosy in the way they see Kerry. Because of your open political bias, if you're really trying to write satire that should be interpreted as humor, you'
As has been demonstrated in this thread , Cheney not only lied about not meeting Edwards -- on the Senate floor -- he misled America on how often he even bothers going to the Senate. He's presided over the Senate only twice in the last four years. Follow the link for evidence. If Kerry had told these lies, do you re
Psst: I treated it as satire, and assumed that Messy Buu is saying that (1) this stuff won't happen and (2) people who oppose Bush have overly rosy views of Kerry. Do you disagree with my interpretation? If not, can we talk about the substance of my comment?
I know very few people who are claiming Kerry is some kind of saint. I know lots of people, though, who think Bush has demonstrated that he's simply not up to handling Iraq and the War Against Terrorism. For whatever reason, Bush seems to be in denial about the reality on the ground, even as generals and senators report on a hemorrhaging situation. When your team is doing badly, you change managers. When your company is doing badly, you change CEOs
Last night, Cheney said this: "In my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session." So, it turns out Cheney has actually presided over the Senate only *twice* in the last four years , according to the Senate diaries. Not only that,
If you're following the state polls, in order to project the electoral college, there are other problems. For one thing, state polls often have smaller sample sizes, so they can be pretty unreliable. Additionally, many states polls are still within the margin of error, and probably shouldn't even be counted. Race2004 does a good job of distinguishing between states that st
Unfortunately, it's becoming increasingly clear that this race is too close for the polls to be that useful, other than to tell you if a candidate is doing better or worse than he was doing last month. For example. Gallup regularly has nearly 40% of its respondents identifying as Republicans. That's much higher than the number Republican party ID voters in any recent presidential election. Have
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