BakerStreet: I'm not exactly sure how it was that you came to be educated at age 10 in 1980 - especially since the disease cause and suggested education scenarios weren't fully explored until 1981. I may have my dates mixed up, but I think yours might be a bit fuzzy as well. To suggest that because you knew, and as long as you didn't live in a "cave" (heaven help the rural people of this world with this kind of compassion) one should have been in the
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Again, with the insults. You merely point out your own inadequacies when you have to revert to name-calling, insults and assertion of superior knowledge. , you don't see why anyone is continuing this thread, yet you take the time to do likewise. My name is George, not "dude" or "poor guy". Your allegory doesn't hold water. It's merely an attempt to stereotype. Try again.
BakerStreet, with what data do you claim expert knowledge of "the gay community was completely educated about AIDS by the mid-eighties." That's a pretty unsubstantiated claim there guy. It's kinda hard to educate people who don't live in urban areas, have no access to topics because they live in rural areas, there was no internet.... no, I'm gonna have to say you're wayyyy off base with the claim that the "gay community was completely educated"... go
KarmaGirl - again, less than 10 million in the first two years, and less than 200 million in the first 3 years. The disease was discovered in 1981. If you and others who want to pile up on me on this issue think that this is not a real issue - please go read about what's happening with the population in Africa... Good night to you all.
BakerStreet, I accept that you have an opinion that my statement is asinine. I admit, it's highly charged and lacking detail - which I've tried to provide throughout the day. Just as you have added in your last comment or two that Congress bears the blame as well. I can also agree with a portion of that assertion. I'll make you a deal, I'll increase my reading on this topic if you will. I don't think Reagan did anything NEAR what he should
Saiyan, I chose to take your comments below as a real question... and here's the real answer. We should blame any president who was advised by his own surgeon general, public health officials and the general public at large who cried out with real solutions and suggestions - but who chose to let the horse out of the barn and run away causing rampant spread of the ailments/diseases you list below. Fair enough? Reply By: Saiyan Robot Posted:
Draginol, thanks for you succint and insult free remarks. 1. I don't disagree with the sum total of $5.7 billion over a period of nearly a decade. 2. I do think Reagan should at least share the blame for the lack of attention early in the disease's stage, because as we both know the Congress does generate much legislation - the President sets the tone and the priorities. More importantly, he has the world stage unlike any other individual. He was a
Nope, I disagree again with you BakerStreet - I didn't divert from the subject, just merely trying to keep you on the subject by decreasing the number of insults and derogatory remarks you make about me, not the my argument. Do me a favor, restate what my "asinine" argument is? Let's see if you can get the point of what I've been trying to say all day? And instead of telling me its asinine, how about explaining why you think I'm wrong - wi
lol, nice edit of "Mary" BakerStreet... lol, but you'll note I caught it before your edit. *w*
BakerStreet - 1. It's not assinine, it's documented and it's true. 2. My feelings aren't hurt, I'm a big boy and can take it. 3. My name is George not Mary. And unless you are gay and my friend, you shouldn't insult me like that, but... see # 2, I'm a big boy and I can take it. 4. I didn't say millions I was careful to say 10,000 plus, when in reality it could easily be 100, 000+ and I stand by my belief. 5. I'm not paying for anything, just because
Well, I think I expressed my state of newness to this medium did I not? But thanks for your revelation of the same ilk. . Seriously Jill, I welcome dialogue and debate. But attacking the person delivering the debate as has been done repeatedly today, isn't debate. And I'll point that out -continuously, as I have done so ever so slightly in the first two sentences above. The problem with
BakerStreet: Again, attack my argument -not me. Get it? The argument, the debate, my remarks. Not me. "You aren't much of a student of history" is a criticism and an assumption that is neither well-informed or accurate. I do think Reagan advanced an way of conducting the White House publicity that leveraged his power. And I think it's not fair to assume that he couldn't have wielded that same power to convince congress to act acco
"Desperate"... "chip on your shoulder"... "tacky"... enough of the insults people. stick to the debate. First of all BakerStreet, your assumption that there aren't other ribbons for other diseases is vastly incorrect. The AIDS tragedy in fact started a trend of having different color ribbons to identify support for different ailments. It's HUGE. Pink is Breast Cancer, Black & Blue is Law Enforcement, so on and so on. Secondly, as
Hm... well, if you chose not to read my comments thats your own problem. Former President Clinton has acknowledge the failings of his policy.
I'm sorry, are you actually saying that you've never heard the conservative right and the christian community say that AIDS is god's punshisment for homosexuals? Surely this isn't the first you've heard of this. And again, words are being twisted here.. read again... I didn't suggest that Reagan got Alzhiemers for any reason. The question was, if homosexuals got AIDS as punishment for their behavior - why did Reagan get Alzheimers? I think it's lud
*chuckles at "O'Reilly Factor* Uh, well... if it's on the O'Reilly Factor it must be true. You too fail to see the central point of my argument, and I'm getting tired of repeating it. But here goes again... when leadership was needed the most, he failed to lead! In the first three years of this disease, we had the opportunity to minimize it's impact, and because Reagan took too long to act responsibly - like the public servant he was elected to do
Just my stunning intuition.
. Bad Mouse! Bad Mouse!
Well, I'm 36, have a bachelor's degree, and a pretty good grip of the English language. And as far as I can see, the line you've highlighted doesn't read "you're a liar". Stop putting words into my mouth. So what's worse, calling someone a liar - which I don't feel like I did - or attempting to marginalize or belittle someone? Thanks for the math lesson. If you would take a second to think a tad more logically - the "tipping point" of AIDS could no
Well, nothing says welcome like a swift kick in the balls! Yesterday I attended a conference in Atlanta entitled "Nonprofit Summit". It's basically an annual event that attempts to gather the leaders of nonprofits to share resources, ideas, and solutions to some of our society's most pressing problems. I have dedicated by entire life to nonprofit work. Rather accide
By the way, who did I call a liar? And when?
I can't recall which news anchor Dan Rather or Walter Concrite - or Dan Rather commending on Concrite - that once said the role of the American media is "to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comforted." Stop and think for a minute folks. The average newspaper is written on a fifth grade reading level - and for a reason. The media is not intended to help the powerful stay more powerful. There is little doubt that the Republican party is, as a wh
Well to quote the Saint Ronald Reagan, "There you go again." The distortion of the facts are that you want to look at the some total and assume it was all in good effort. Reagan was begged by the staff of the CDC to provide more funding. In the first three years, and by all means review your own data below if you don't believe me, less than 200 million dollars were spent on this disease. Less than 10 million in the first 2 years. It wasn't until d
D- you are more than welcomed, encouraged even, to get the exact quote. During the critically important early years... 1981-83 less than $200 million was spent on the disease. More specifically, it was the continued blocking of AIDS Education in schools and other settings that allowed the disease to spread so rampantly. It's very easy to see how the disease is spread now, but I can't say it strongly enough that it was simply not known by enough peop
First of all, I'm not your son - and the mere use of that word in that manner is an attempt to demonstrate some higher level of superiority or knowledge - both of which I doubt would be accurate. Secondly, YOU are the one that is using sweeping generalizations that an entire class of people are living in an "entitlement" state of mind. And lastly, good bye - don't really care about being "blacklisted." I didn't post my feelings to warm your hearts an