' What rock do you have your head under Furry? He has admitted to it!!' Then he will be found guilty, won't he? Either way, you either think he IS entitled to a fair trial or that he ISN'T. Once you start introducing exceptions to this right, as I said before, you can kiss goodbye to any hope of the 'justice' you claim to be so concerned about.
'it has to do with the anger that most australians are feeling about this injustice' Not most, just the gullible and the rednecks.
'U dont think Osama was behind the atacks on Sept 11??' What I think - or what anybody else thinks - is immaterial. One of the reasons the law exists is to ensure that no one gets incarcerated merely because somebody else 'thinks' they are guilty. Burden of proof, innocent until proven guilty, ring any bells? This kind of jibe is beneath you. So, are you saying Osama Bin Laden ISN"T entitled to a fair trial?
Abu Bakar Ba'asyir was convicted of criminal conspiracy only .The sentence would have been far greater had the prosecution been able to prove direct involvement in the Bali bombings, but they WEREN'T. Do try to read beyond the simplistic headlines they feed you, Phoenixboi. In the meantime, the repercussions upon Indonesians within Australia appear to be starting already. Hope you're feeling proud PB - this is YOUR lynch mob.
' SO Furry.. it's like Osama ..he didnt actually fly the planes that crashed into the buildings, but he was the mastermind yeah? So he like Bashir is just as guilty as the ones who flew them or planted the bombs.' No PB, it's not that at all. But if and when Osama Bin Laden is captured, I still expect him to have to face trial. Abu Bakar Ba'asyir did, and like it or not he was NOT convicted on charges of masterminding the Bali bombings. Schapp
Sir Peter, that is a monstrous outrage. I implore you to apologise unreservedly and without delay to the world's 10-year-old boys.
I hope you saw Media Watch tonight, PB. If not, seriously suggest you try and catch it at 11:50pm on Wednesday. Liz Jackson offers a very balanced overview of the Corby trial and - perhaps more pertinently - the Australian media coverage of it. As well as debunking many of the arguments you present on your previous thread on this subject, they cover this supposed outrage too. Abu Bakar Ba'asyir was ACCUSED only, not convicted. Big difference.
'Diplomacy doesnt work in these countries ...' THESE countries? That's more than enough. My part in this discussion is over.
'Furry, if this case was handled here in Australia it would have been thrown out of court.' Nice to see you have such unswerving faith in the legal system that locked up Cornelia Rau, wrongly deported Vivian Solon (and then hid the fact), and continues to keep migrant children locked up for periods of years in detention centres. Silly argument though. The case wasn't handled in Australia, nor was there any reason it should have been. Corby was arr
(1) 'Why wasnt the drugs found at Brisbane or Sydney Airport before she left Australia and only found when she arrived in Bali?' (2) 'The same day David that she was caught was the same day a shipment of cocaine was put through our airports by baggage handlers, this evidence was given to the balinese courts.' Phoenixboi, you can hardly argue a coherent defence based on (1) confidence in the rigour of Australian customs on one hand, and
'This is a slap in the face of all Asutralians especially those who have helped in the recent tragedies in Indonesia and lost their lives for them.' Schappelle Corby - guilty or innocent? I honestly don't know PB, but unless you are privy to some very esoteric inside information I think your proclamation of her innocence ('Man she didnt do it. It is so clear.') is a little naive. What is clear is that this trial has no connection whatsoever
'No, it is public owned.' Well, that's a relief to those of us on the left who worried previously that Rupert Murdoch and his ilk wield too much power to manipulate the media. And the right accuses US of naivety!
I notice that no one appears to have mentioned the fact that the media, in all its forms, is essentially conservative owned and controlled.
'I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry ass if you're running from them.' Hmm, interesting. No threat (they're running away, right?), innocent until proven guilty, possibly just frightened ... irrelevant detail. Just gun 'em down, Judge Dredd! Dead men / women / children tell no tales, eh? Glad I don't live in 'bad America'!
'I'm not rewriting history, here. This is what the history is'. Hang on, what was the title of this thread again? 'How Soviet Russia Won World War II - if by "won" you mean "caused". Now, reassess the various merits of the players all you like, but to accuse the USSR of 'causing' WWII (and, by implication, absolving Nazi Germany of that particular accolade) is definitely creative, and ignores the huge benefit of hindsight. On 29th Septe
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'WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEANS!!!' So why didn't you call yourself 'Justice for human beings'?
"Justice for Jews'? What, in preference to anyone else? But isn't that just the slightest bit ... oh you know.
The Nazis killed something in excess of 25 million Soviet citizens in WWll. Not quite 'BARTENDER shoots LION dead', is it? Yes, the USSR was slow on the uptake, but they weren't the only ones, were they (cough cough)? But hey, why should the USSR be the only ones who get to rewrite history?
'like I said watch the gun carefully for 2 weeks do not eat nor wash.. nor drink water while watching for the "evil" gun to jump off table and go find something to kill.. the reason you will not have to worry is the "evil" gun will see you are weak from hunger, dieing of thirst and stink like something already dead and will not bother you.' This is a scary yet strangely familiar kind of gibberish ... Hmm, has anybody every seen ModerateMan and Aery
Good for you MasonM. it won't be easy, unless of course you're one of the relatively few lucky ones who escape the pain of withdrawal. There again, they don't get the same sense of achievement when they succeed. And the benefits - financial of course, but in terms of your health and (to use a bit of a cliche) quality of your life - can be breathtaking (ha ha). I'm with Mark Twain, who is reputed to have said, 'Quitting smoking is easy. I've done it ma
Well, I've been watching for over an hour now MM, and it seems you are quite right. There is obviously nothing to worry about here. What on earth could we have been thinking? Hurrah! Let's issue guns to every new-born infant.
'But what about people who don't happen to own software companies and didn't have the good sense to be born into rich families?' Hmm, let them eat cake, anybody? Well Draginol, my guess is that the people you refer to have rather different things to worry about than 'being able to buy a place that my mom can live in when she retires, have a good investment, and have a place for the kids and I to visit and vacation.' Like feeding and clothing
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'Nicholas, the problem is that the speeding laws would no longer be equally enforced. As a practical matter, they'd just hang out near the wealthier parts of town since that's where the money is.' A fair point Draginol, but at best probably only half-right. The problem is that it assumes the speeding laws are equally enforced NOW. Bear in mind Dynosoar's experience: 'It seems the owners of expensive european cars typically had good lawyers tha