Independent1

Reply to Kids Have more rights, revisited in Current Events JoeUser Forums

I cannot prove this I BELIEVE that the erosion of parental perogatives is responsible for the rising tide of children killers and trouble in general There is no rising tide of child killers. Go to the DOJ's Bureau of Justice Statistics website and take a look for yourself. Homicide rates as a whole declined sharply from 1992-2000 and have since steadied, homicide rates of teens in that period declined even more. Homicide rates of preteens has

Reply to Refuse to Surrender Your Freedom in Politics JoeUser Forums

"And even if they did discriminate those who do not practice monotheist religions. How is that any different than those male oriented organizations that discriminate against women" It adds the government supporting specific religions issue. Without forcing the oath, the BSA doesn't discriminate amongst rel

Reply to Kids Have more rights, revisited in Current Events JoeUser Forums

If that had been a pedophile on the other end of the phone trying to lure that 14 year old into an illicit rendevous, the clowns in Washington would not have been able to do a damn thing! That is where you are wrong. If you simply overhear something on the phone and report it to the authorities you will

Reply to Fastest growth found in 'red' states in Politics JoeUser Forums

Unfortunately as the population growth in a red state accelerates, the people realize they simply can't pray for more roads, schools,police, firemen, etc..... Then they realize guns are no longer for hunting wild game and smog isn't only in LA.....so they start turning blue.

Reply to Declaration of Independence Banned! UPDATE! in Politics JoeUser Forums

If 96% of all Americans are Christians or in fact claim to be, which is true due to a recent study, then why are we even having this discussion? Its the politics of fear. A few right wing nut jobs are scared that a few left wing nut jobs are trying to cleanse religion from the country. A few left wing

Reply to Declaration of Independence Banned! UPDATE! in Politics JoeUser Forums

How long until they start banning Christian teachers altogether? The above scenario, sadly, isn't much of a stretch in light of current litigation. What percentage of teachers are christian? I suspect the percentage isn't much different then the overwhelming percentage of Americans as a whole who are c

Reply to One nation, Under God, but lately pretty divisible in Religion JoeUser Forums

"The policy of the 1,200 New York City public schools is that no purely religious symbols are allowed, only ones that have a “secular dimension,” such as Christmas trees, menorahs, and the star and crescent. But the star and crescent is hardly secular." "Bay Harbor Islands in Florida refuses to allow a Nativity scene on

Reply to Refuse to Surrender Your Freedom in Politics JoeUser Forums

I read something recently where the ACLU went after the department of defense saying they couldn't interact with the boyscouts because they were a religious group.Seems to me like the ACLU is about taking away freedoms in the name of equality while claiming they are protecting those same freedoms. Here'

Reply to Declaration of Independence Banned! UPDATE! in Politics JoeUser Forums

"Actually, my update asked that people watch the Hannity and Colmes special. Anyone who has ever watched the show knows that both liberal and conservative viewpoints are represented equally. The reason I only posted the transcript of the teacher and lawyer is because that is all I could find on the website. The entire program was an hour long with the teacher/lawyer segment only lasting about 10 minutes. That segment was followed by Michael Newdow and

Reply to One nation, Under God, but lately pretty divisible in Religion JoeUser Forums

However, in many cases recently, that is not what is happening....any song referencing "Christmas" is banned, but songs about Hanukkah and Kwanzaa can be sung.....Nativity scenes are not allowed, but menorahs are. Do you see the point...85% of the population of our country is being told that their beliefs can't be sung about or

Reply to Kids Given More Rights Than Adults in Current Events JoeUser Forums

No truth? I would say that is a bold statement. I didn't say that we shouldn't have privacy laws, what I said is that the people who complain about being recorded are the ones that were doing something wrong and got caught. Did you say that or did you say: <TABLE cellpadding=8 width="95%" ali

Reply to Declaration of Independence Banned! UPDATE! in Politics JoeUser Forums

"after you visit the school's parent organization website, and youve seen the pix of the declaration of independence and constitution as theyre displayed in the school, i think it's only fair that you concede the headline of this article is not only inaccurate but inflammatory. im all for showbiz but..." This is just typical one sided media. Certain shows love to hawk on issues with very lopsided views. Some are more fair than others. In this

Reply to Judge allows religious theme (in school even) in Politics JoeUser Forums

People need to realize that the majority of people are tolerant . The majority of christians do not shove their christianity down others throats. The majority of atheists do not shove their beliefs down everyones throats. The majority of homosexuals do not shove their sexual behavior down other peoples throats. Our society is full of yellow journalism and propaganda. Many advocacy groups, political parties, and media outlets sensationalize their i

Reply to Declaration of Independence Banned! UPDATE! in Politics JoeUser Forums

"I am not sure this is a fair judgement. Usually "run of the mill" attourneys charge a considerable amount of money. I would be willing to bet that the Alliance Defense Fund took this case pro bono. The teacher may have appealed to them for monetary reasons, more than agendas." That is why I stated "may" indicate. However. Most teacher's unions I know of have lawyers for this type of thing. I would bet also the ADF took the case pro bono, but

Reply to Could Bush be the greartest president in recent history? in Politics JoeUser Forums

Tell me again why Bush is a great President? Looks to me like Sandy never says that, simply states that the opportunity is there, and also states for certain things "I think he will fail miserably". I look at the situation and see the same thing. With Arafat gone and the situation in Iraq possi

Reply to Declaration of Independence Banned! UPDATE! in Politics JoeUser Forums

It is difficult to tell what the truth of all of this is because it is being reported almost exclusively by people with agendas. Every single person on that panel had an agenda, either political, religious or both. One wouldn't expect the principal or school board to show up and I suspect their legal representatives advised them not to. It would have been nice to hear their side of the story. We will probably all have to wait until it goes to trial

Reply to Kids Given More Rights Than Adults in Current Events JoeUser Forums

Here is my view on phone "privacy": the only people who complain about this are people who are doing something that is wrong. If you are living a clean life and not committing crimes, what would you be saying that would matter? There is NO truth to this. Take away electronic privacy laws and lets see

Reply to Kids Given More Rights Than Adults in Current Events JoeUser Forums

It is not "spying", the phone didn't belong to the kid, it belonged to the parents. If a kid gives his or her parents reason to suspect illegal activity, it is the parent's responsibility to find out what is going on.It is not "spying", the phone didn't belong to the kid, it belonged to the parents. If a kid gives his or her par

Reply to Kids Given More Rights Than Adults in Current Events JoeUser Forums

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Reply to A Piece of Christmas Advice For Republicans. in Politics JoeUser Forums

I don't think the Dems have to change much at all. I think the right is going to dig its own grave. I vote republican within my state very consistently because they actually do keep taxes low, keep the budget lean, and state government small in these parts. They also don't screw with our civil liberties. A very different beast from the Republicans running the Federal Govt. Seems to me a balance and stalemate works best in D.C. Anyhow if you look

Reply to Kids Given More Rights Than Adults in Current Events JoeUser Forums

"Independent1, some advice to make it easier for readers to follow you, select the part you want to quote, then hit the little 'Q' in the bottom left corner." Thanks Jill...Unfortunately I don't have javascript enabled in my browser." "I'm not arguing what part of the legal system dropped the ball, I am just saying it was dropped and this kind of idiocy hopefully will outrage and frustrate the people of Washington enough to do somethi

Reply to Kids Given More Rights Than Adults in Current Events JoeUser Forums

So, if a mother catches her child being propositioned by a child molester on the Internet, she can't legally do anything to get the cops on the guy until she either has a search warrant (hoping that the child molester will proposition the daughter again) or hope that the child molester consents to allowing her to use the words she saw against him? No she can report it to the cops. And the information on the computer may be permissable in cour

Reply to Kids Given More Rights Than Adults in Current Events JoeUser Forums

What can they do? They clearly can't use recorded conversations as evidence to prosecute any Internet child molesters talking to their children, unless the Internet child molester gives complete consent, which I doubt they'll do. The authorities certainly can use recorded conversations, however they need authorization for a wiretap. Federal law allows for a wiretap with single party consent. There may also be differences within different sta

Reply to Kids Given More Rights Than Adults in Current Events JoeUser Forums

If parents can't monitor their children's conversations or activities on the phone or computer, then why can colleges (such as the one I am at right now) monitor the use of their computers? This may have other laws associated with it federal and/or state statute, however in any case you probably signed something that gave consent to the College to monitor your use of their computers and network.

Reply to Kids Given More Rights Than Adults in Current Events JoeUser Forums

You're essentially saying they can listen but they can't do anything about what they hear. Not at all. You can do plenty about it. The problem was ultimately about whether the information was admissable in court. In any case the Washington Supreme Court did not rule on banning parental telephone eavesdropping as you have stated. They upheld both federal and state laws. Go read the court decision, federal, and state statutes yo