[quote who="Dr Guy" comment="12"]Mooseplowreply 10THE PERSON has said no such thing. Or are you privy to statements made by McCain that even the Media has not seen yet? Puhlease!No one else had a say in it? You dont think he had a bunch of advisors advocating for different people? Maybe he actually said yes to her, but unless YOU WERE PRIVY to what was said in those meetings then I guess you dont really know either.Plenty have said it - for the last 2 months almost all the democra
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[quote who="Mooseplow" comment="10"]THE PERSON has said no such thing. Or are you privy to statements made by McCain that even the Media has not seen yet? Puhlease!No one else had a say in it? You dont think he had a bunch of advisors advocating for different people? Maybe he actually said yes to her, but unless YOU WERE PRIVY to what was said in those meetings then I guess you dont really know either.[/quote] This is a truth, but then again none of us really know what went
[quote who="Zubaz" comment="9"]hope you dont say that "Joe the Plumber" and "Tito the builder" and "nancy the nurse" are your heroes tooThose are teh people that make America work and there are far worse people that are portrayed as heros now.[/quote] The MSM attack dogs that went after Joe or Sam whatever someone wants to call him shows how desperate the Obama camp did not want to answer simple questions about the economy and people Obama wanted to tax. How dare any American citizen h
[quote who="Dr Guy" comment="4"]The guy is a good speakerWhen he has a teleprompter. He sucks when ad libbing.But what if McCain won and everything continued to get worse, would you come back and say "maybe the liberals were right"Personally, I would say "I did not beleive him when he was running, and so I did not vote for him".how come no one heard that before from any of the people who are saying that now?Uh, you have been in seclusion, right? Either that or are not listening or
[quote who="ThinkAloud" comment="3"]He turned their eyes away from the fact he has no real credentials to assume the office of the President, matter of fact of the four people in the race McCain, Palin and Biden, Obama has the least amount of experience of the four.He turned away the eyes of the American people from the fact that he was mentored by some blatant anti-American scum, one of them a know terrorist that in the 60's tried to kill police and blew up several buildings.Even you MM say
[quote who="lionslicer" comment="2"]"He won, so let's just wait and see what happens next. We can always come back and say "I told you so" if he doesn't pan out."But what if McCain won and everything continued to get worse, would you come back and say "maybe the liberals were right"[/quote] I was a Bush supporter and then I was not after he continued to make mess after mess, after mess, I judge by actions, not by the party someone belongs to.
[quote who="MasonM" comment="1"]Some of the religious loons are saying he's the Anti-Christ The guy is a good speaker, let's just hope he's as smart as many in this country think he is. He won, so let's just wait and see what happens next. We can always come back and say "I told you so" if he doesn't pan out.[/quote] The Antri- Christ according to the Bible will be a Jew and come from the tribe of DAN. He is neither. I too am hoping for the best, from Obama.
[quote who="pictoratus" comment="65"]This comment is worthy of an article on its own!!!I may expound on this line of thought and do just that. Thanks, MM[/quote] You are most welcome
[quote who="taltamir" comment="66"]let me say, when I came to the US from israel I had a very different view of what constituted a race...It took five years of every government form asking if I am "white, asian, latino, or african" for me to see a person and think "he is black"... I did a double take the first time I thought that... it did not make sense, since black skin is just a characteristic, just like blue eyes or blond hair... sure some ethnic groups are more likely to have them, but o
[quote who="Daiwa" comment="67"]I agree that race will never cease to be an issue until we at least stop officially quantifying it. It doesn't matter to the census whether your eyes are blue or green. Likewise, the color or your skin should have no impact on your opportunities. Those who wish to continue to collect this sort of information will insist that there is no other way to enforce anti-discrimination laws & regulations, but until we as a people start viewing race
[quote]The fact is that they didn't vote for Obama just because he was black, and I know that shatters your cries of victimhood, but it simply doesn't wash. What they were inspired by was that a black man could be so inspiring, intelligent and competent sounding and be running for President. Jackson is the perfect example and proof that black people do not vote for just any idiot who fronts up with black skin. They waited for one who had a lot of great qualities. And while you may not feel he
[quote who="shadesofgrey" comment="16"]It's just taking us a while to get our shit together. I'll second that. It's taken me a while to get my shit together too but you have been on my mind and I've been sending you all the good thoughts I can muster (being a liberal like myself, its hard to come by good thoughts, I usually just spend my days moaning about the man keeping me down and thinking up plots to redistribute your wealth!) Hang in there, MM -- there are loads of
Barak Obama If he were to step back in time to the 1800's would have been one of the most prolific snake oil salesmen of all times. He would have convinced any crowd that his product could, cure baldness, help women get pregnant, cure arthritis, mixed in feed fatten cattle overnight, help the skinny gain weight and the fat lose it. The man is a silver tongued devil he is. Some how he blinded the American people into buying a pig in a poke. He turned their eyes away from
[quote who="MasonM" comment="59"]Only when we can get to a point where racial categorization is not a political and social way of life can we look at a media report the day after a Black President is elected and see the headline 'Best Man Won!' instead of 'Black Man Won!'.I couldn't agree more.[/quote] I see once again we agree, Imagine that?
[quote who="pictoratus" comment="58"]I don't think there is any denying that race was a contributing factor in electing Obama; for some because of his race, for some in spiteof his race.What's missing in the discussion is the underlying theme now that he has been elected and for some was a subconcious force born of the desire to see a black president.That was the belief/feeling/hope that his election would somehow show that we, as a nation, had moved on from our racial past and were ready to
[quote who="MasonM" comment="57"]I know it's easier to believe that Obama won based on race than to believe that the country rejected your philosophy, but frankly I don't think Obama could have won just for being a black man. Who said he won based on race? I didn't see a single person post that. If you honestly believe that a great many people didn't vote for him solely because he is black you have your head in the sand. No, that isn't why he won, but it is a fact just the same. I'
[quote who="MasonM" comment="9"]I'm just going to wait and see what he does. If he does well I will acknowledge it, but if he screws up I will certainly call him on it. Childish tantrums and sour grapes over the loss should remain the purview of the lunatic loons.[/quote] Exactly, but!!!!!! and this is a huge but, remember the left never admits they are wrong, somehow someway the left will take an Obama mistake and make it the Republican MINORITIES FAULT.
[quote who="Dr Guy" comment="8"]BTW: I have called some on this board hypocrites (liberals mostly) and one a liar (our old friend lucas). And for that I am told I am spreading hate and vitriol. That is the left for you. If that was all they had done over the last 8 years, we may have been able to have discussions.instead, now any derogatory word is hatemongering. Regardless of context. I think I am going to be using Hypocrite a lot over the next 4.[/quote]<
[quote who="Champas Socialist" comment="50"]I know it's easier to believe that Obama won based on race than to believe that the country rejected your philosophy, but frankly I don't think Obama could have won just for being a black man. Jesse Jackson wasn't ever able to even become the Democrats' Candidate. And I doubt if the same people who voted for Obama would have voted for Colin Powell. While I was very pleased and excited at first to see that the Dems had chosen a black man, by the end,
[quote who="MasonM" comment="49"]Sadly a great many people did vote based solely upon race. Both ways. But then I guess it's no less stupid than those who vote on some single issue or other. Let's face it, the majority of voters don't vote based upon a thorough knowledge of the issues. I guess race is as good a stupid reason to vote as any. Frankly I'd much rather hear someone say they voted for someone because of their race as to just bleat "change!" without the slightest idea of exactl
[quote who="taltamir" comment="48"]minorities lack the gene causing racism, it is a proven fact! only white people can be racist.[/quote] ZYup that seems to be the opinion of the Masses. BUT WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!
[quote who="Tova7" comment="3"]Obama is smart, his victory proves how smart he is, how a man with little or no experience talked a nation into voting him president proves it!It just shows he was smarter than the people he talked into voting for him. I think this is a well written article MM. But frankly I am not going to pretend to be something I am not just because it may be perceived as "liberal."I don't hate Obama. I am sorely disappointed with his election tho. 
[quote who="CharlesCS" comment="2"]I was surprised to see that turnaround so quickly. I thought conservatives prided themselves in not being as batshit insane and dickish as the liberals but in just a short amount of time they've hopped the fence to Assholesburg.Hmm, that's a lot of Assholesburgens? You meant to say a lot of them right? I'm sure this was just a minor mistake. We all make mistakes, except Obama of course but that's a different strory right there.[/quote] Like I jokingly
[quote who="Zoologist03" comment="1"]I was surprised to see that turnaround so quickly. I thought conservatives prided themselves in not being as batshit insane and dickish as the liberals but in just a short amount of time they've hopped the fence to Assholesburg.Politics: turning people into douches since the beginning of human civilization.~Zoo[/quote] Which is why I wrote this Zoo it's kind of like a cyber smack on the back of conservative heads to make them th
[quote who="pictoratus" comment="46"]I thank you pictoratus for posting this very informative article!!!!Glad to contribute!An eye-opener, is it not?[/quote] Much more than an eye opener, FOOD for THOUGHT a rare thing indeed.