Tova7

Tova7

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[quote]No, I was refuting your contention that we need more laws because we have more people. We do not. The number of people we have is not a prerequisite for the number of laws we have since all people (most of the time - congress manages to exempt itself) are subject to the same laws. You do not need a law saying "murdering Southern Sudanese is illegal" since we already have a law saying nurdering another person is illegal.[/quote] This is too far of

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[quote]I wholeheartedly agree! But holding a gun to my head and saying "you must do this" is not taking responsibility. It is a cop out. [/quote] Really? I think its just one very crass way of saying...you live here, you prosper here, you enjoy the freedom our ancestors bled for, now it's your turn to help the next generation. [quote]Read the bolded part. That is ALL the government should be responsible for in the first place

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[quote] Eventually when it gets bad enough someone will call.[/quote] Wow. Yes, that is acceptable for electricity I suppose. But forgive me if I find it totally unacceptable to wait until it gets bad enough when it comes to providing children with basic human needs. By that definition we should only feed the starving, mend the critically ill, and remove children from the most sadistic homes. <span style="font-size: smal

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[quote]I don't see where we are 'force-feeding' democracy anyplace[/quote] I agree....we give what we consider the best gift ever when it's in our power to do so...or try to help facilitate it...but we don't force it.

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A Democracy can only be bled for, to be truly cherished. "Giving" it (like we tried to do in Afghanistan/Iraq) for some reason seems to make it less valuable. I think it is human nature to value something you've earned over something handed to you. It's not just Democracy. I see it again and again with family, friends, and my children. When they work for something (a house, new car, vac

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[quote]Only a fool would argue we are not more socialistic today than we were 3 years ago.[/quote] Only a fool would expect less laws and gov. involvement in a country where the population is growing. The more people in a space, the more mediation required. For instance, NY city has tons of "nanny" laws about spitting on the sidewalk, where you place trash at the curb, etc. Things people who live in less populated areas scoff about and

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[quote]that's socialism you're promoting here. And that is not the answer. It's an answer, but not the best way to go. [/quote] I don't agree. By your standard then all taxes are socialism. Everything done for the "common good" with those taxes is socialism. Roads, national defense, etc. The definition of socialism as I understand it is: <span style="font-si

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[quote]I support people being able to do what they want as long as I don't have to pay for their choices.[/quote] I agree with the sentiment to a point. People want to drive and we have to pay for roads whether we drive or not. People want safe meat, and we have to pay for FDA inspectors even if we're vegetarians. There there are "common good" practices a

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[quote]There's only so much to go around so if the government takes from you, you have less to give. [/quote] Right, I agree with this. The way I view this particular topic is this: children really are the future of the country (I know, cliche')...they don't choose to be born to worthless parents. Once they are here, we have an obligation as a moral country to meet some of their basic needs. <span style="font-size:

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[quote]I'm sorry to hear that Tova. Not to get personal here, but I thought you had an Aunt Shelby who took care of you. [/quote] I did. But she came and got me from a group home after the state interceded in my behalf and removed me from the home. Most of the girls in the group home stayed there until they were 18 because their families were worthless. I think the shift in culture came b

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[quote]The responsibility to provide for the needs of children falls on the individual, the family and on religious authority.[/quote] In my own personal experience these three things failed me, failed my brother, failed period. Luckily the state stepped in and picked up the slack or there is no telling where I'd be today. Most likely dead.

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[quote]Tova, that's why I asked you what are some of your liberal views! So sorry about that and thank you for being so good natured about it. [/quote] No worries....I thought you were just trying to get me involved in the conversation more.. I'm not liberal enough to be called liberal. For the most part I fall pretty conservative. But I do think to be considered a "civiliz

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Some of my liberal views Lula? Well, since you asked. I think "we the people" or the government by proxy should provide healthcare for children under the age of 18 if their parents can't afford it. (Same goes for food and shelter. Yes, I know we do this already, ~just sayin) I also don't have a probl

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Maybe it's the way I grew up, but I know, KNOW, if I censor a stranger in public, no matter how nice I do it, there is likely going to be some sort of backlash in the form of anger/confrontation. Some days I'm not up to an argument over something that in the long run doesn't matter to me. In my experience most people believe if you don't agree with them, you're attacking them. I try to choose my battles

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[quote]I can quickly and easily cure virtually anything in the home that someone may come down with. [/quote] Really? What's your cure for stage III breast cancer?

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[quote]Just got the scoop that part of Ohio is in the dark. Did you lose your power T? My poor son is beside himself tonight. Means no netflix! So instead he calls mom. Nothing better to do[/quote] No our power is fine. Do they have heat? If they don't have heat you tell Amanda to call me. They are welcome to come here. [quote]I'm from Indiana. Nothing in Ohio is very far from a big(ger) city. (I think you're in Ohio; r

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[quote]I just found out that the area that our kids live in is called 6-pack alley. That is said with pride from what I understand. Meanwhile the kids are bearing the brunt of this. We bus most of our kids in san parents. [/quote] 6 pack? Referring to abs or alcohol? Or what? Don't feel too bad for kids who have a rough go of it...a lot of the most successful people I know in life

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