Draginol

Reply to Being in favor of stealing someone's property to give to another isn't compassionate in Democrat JoeUser Forums

Getting back to the original post... People who support taxing other people and having that money given to them or others like them is not compassionate. And given the last two Presidential election exit polls, that is exactly what the left does -- vote for people who will give stuff taken from others to them.

Reply to The American left: Haters? in Politics Stardock Forums

[quote]American liberals : As opposed to?[/quote] In Europe, liberals are more akin to American conservatives.

Reply to Being in favor of stealing someone's property to give to another isn't compassionate in Democrat Stardock Forums

[quote]No, that taxation isn't robbery because it's the price of citizenship. It's part of the social contract we make with the sovereign for mutual security and prosperity. We surrender some of our wealth and the right to violence to the sovereign; in turn, the sovereign ensures protection for all. This is fairly basic political theory, I'm sure you're across this.[/quote] That is not how the United States was founded. That is how Europeans may view the world but in the United States,

Reply to The American left: Haters? in Politics Stardock Forums

There are kooks on both sides. But the left seems to attract a lot more of them.

Reply to A preview of the next 4 years in Politics Stardock Forums

[quote who="CharlesCS" comment="2"]Should I be worried about becoming a slave for the first time?[/quote] We get closer to all the time. What is the definition of slavery? Well, I would say, at its crux is performing labor without receiving a benefit in return. Historically, taxes were used to provide services used by all (or most people) like roads, schools, police, fire departments. But not anymore, now we're supposed to pay for health care for people who choose n

Reply to Being in favor of stealing someone's property to give to another isn't compassionate in Democrat Stardock Forums

[quote]I guess what I don't understand is this concept of taxation as theft.[/quote] If men with guns come to your house and take money from you what do you call that? [quote]You choose to be an American citizen. You choose every day to be one. You don't have to be there. If you don't like your taxation, why don't you leave? There's no point making all these threats about how the sky will fall in without the wealthy if they're so embedded in society that they won't leave.[/quote

Liberals, conservatives and cookies in Politics JoeUser Forums

Senator Obama has indicated that people might accuse him of being a socialist because he shared his cookies with his friend. No, that would make him a conservative. In real life liberals work as this: A lady bakes 100 cookies and gives them out to her friends and family with a few extra going to other people she knows. The liberal argues that's not fair and votes that those 100 cookies be taken from her and be distributed to them and their friends as they see fit

Reply to Being in favor of stealing someone's property to give to another isn't compassionate in Democrat Stardock Forums

[quote who="Zoologist03" comment="5"] So what you're saying is that Robin Hood is a dick. ~Zoo [/quote] Robin hood was robbing from the government to give to the poor if you recall.

Reply to Being in favor of stealing someone's property to give to another isn't compassionate in Democrat Stardock Forums

[quote]I'll ask another question entirely: Is it 'noble' for a corporation (WalMart, McDonald's, take your pick of any large retail establishment) to donate millions to charities (while taking a nice tax deduction) when one is paying the overwhelming majority of their employees a wage that's damn near impossible to live on?[/quote] Corporations aren't noble or innoble. They are. People voluntarily work at those corporations at a wage both parties agree to. Those

Being in favor of stealing someone's property to give to another isn't compassionate in Democrat JoeUser Forums

One of the things that I find mind boggling about liberals who support Obama is the consistent attitude that Democrats "care" about the poor. Their proof of that is that they support the government taking other people's money to give to poor people. Yet, when one looks at reality, Democrats are incredibly stingy on average when it comes to them giving to the poor. Obama's and Biden's charitable giving over the past 10 years has been a joke. If you want to &quo

The American left: Haters? in Politics JoeUser Forums

One of the things I notice whenever I get into a discussion on politics is that American liberals are very quick to get very angry if you disagree with them. Even the most mild liberals in day to day conversation can become quickly agitated if you challenge any of their "facts". This week, Whoopi Goldberg acknowledged that conservative Elizabeth Hasselbeck gets the most death threats of any of the hosts of The View. I think that speaks volumes as to the "tolerance

Reply to The Left is Such an Angry Bunch in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] The leftist blogs might be an angry bunch, but listen to talk radio and you'll have all the rightist bile you can stand. From Hannity to Limbaugh to Beck (and even worse, their crazy call-ins), they're just as bad if not worse than anything I've seen on the 'net.[/quote] You must not actually listen to these guys. They're not angry. Angry is an apt description for the typical left winger. You can't even discuss the issues with them because they often star

The power to tax is the power to destroy in Politics JoeUser Forums

Excellent article today at Town Hall discussing the dangers of taxation. Every cent the government takes from its citizens is a cent of wealth that has been destroyed. Hence, the government should only coerce money out of society for absolutely critical projects that only the government can perform. http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/29/taxing_times?page=1</

Reply to Getting sick of the race card in Politics Stardock Forums

During the Democratic primary, how did African Americans vote when faced with Clinton or Obama who have pretty similar views? I think the case could be made that had Obama been white, he probably wouldn't have won the nomination.

Reply to Being a Conservative on the Liberal Internet in Internet Stardock Forums

[quote]Which begs the question - why would American companies want or need to operate offshore? Could it be that doing business within the US, under the ever-expanding laws & regulations promulgated by our Congress, is bad for business? Instead of demonizing businesses for doing what is in their best interest, shouldn't we at least pause to wonder why the subject even comes up?[/quote] American liberals only care "why they hate us" when they're terrorists murdering us i

Getting sick of the race card in Politics JoeUser Forums

Jonathan Alter at Newsweek has a particularly disgusting column entitled "Why McCain won" that essentially argues that if McCain wins, it's only because Republicans are too racist to vote for Obama. So let me get this straight, it's the responsibility of Republicans to vote for Obama? That's insane thinking. But there it is, if Obama loses, it's only because Republicans are racists even though the obvious question would be, why didn't more Democrats and indepe

Reply to Obama and the tax tipping point in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote]Yet, the truth is, we live in a far different world than 20, 30, or 40 years ago. Today's world is truly an interconnected world. Localized models of self help have their place and are important, but they are completely dwarfed by the need and costs of today's world. We need a larger understanding and a willingness to think past local borders. Individualism has its place but it is economical suicidal to think that it can work without a healthy social network.[/quote]</

Reply to Obama and the tax tipping point in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote]We all believe we have a clear view. Its when we are convinced of it, to the exclusion of other views, that we are arrogant. I have said many times that I appreciate, deeply appreciate business leaders, CEOs, creative geniouses, and the like. I was, afterall, a business leader myself. What I don't appreciate is the constant drumming that anyone else is somehow lazy or deficit or just plain lacking in character. I do not see a willingness on the

Reply to Obama and the tax tipping point in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote]Hello Jill, I do not skip past local government or state government. Hardly. The fact is costs for services of all kinds keep going up; taxes keep getting cut. Something is seriously out of balance. Local and state governments and charitable organizations are stretched to their max. And in this economy, it will only get worse. I completely agree with you that familes and small communities have obligations to care, and they do. What is missed is that all th

Reply to Obama and the tax tipping point in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote]One of the reasons we seem so often SO at odds with each other is that we come to the "facts" with (apparently) very different eyes and interpreting within that set.[/quote] No, the difference is that I look at facts and you choose not to. You say that the poor work hard. The census data says that most people in the bottom 25%tile of society in terms of wealth do not work. That's not about interpretation. I say that 38% of the population (as of

Reply to Obama and the tax tipping point in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote]This is just so much elitist BS. Any tax system redistributes wealth; its what it is intended to do. Its the choices as to where and on whom the money is spent that has people's panties in a knot. Moreover, poor people are not poor by choice. Most "poor" people in the US work, they pay taxes, but then get refunds. Those who are adult and non-disabled and who still do not work at all are a serious minority. Many people who are "the working poor" work two jobs, sti

Reply to Obama and the tax tipping point in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote]Goodness, this number keeps increasing. Pretty soon it will only be the very rich who pay any tax at all, according to the very rich. But to answer your question, no. But apparently that 38%, 40% or now 50+% income is not taxed for a reason. It may be that it is below the poverty line, it may be because its from non-taxable sources, but then it may be because they just plain don't earn enough to be taxed, once deductions and other offsets are taken into account.[/quot

Reply to Obama and the tax tipping point in Politics Stardock Forums

[quote]Draginol, this statement is beneath you. Arrogance is never good, even if it is from a conservative, successful, CEO.[/quote] I would look in the mirror, Sodaiho. You are easily one of the most arrogance participants I've come across in a long time. Weren't you the guy who just wrote: We live is a national community with national obligations to our citizens. If you don't believe this is so, I suggest a class in civics...oh, I forgot, we don

Reply to Obama and the tax tipping point in Politics Stardock Forums

[quote]I take it your point, then, is that the poor, the sick, the disabled, the elderly, orphaned or abused and neglected children are a drain on our society? But isn't that the nature of a social contract? It's what "we, the people" is all about. We are all in this life together. The tangible benefit is life itself, in the worst case scenario, or improved quality of life for an improved society on the least worst case scenario. [/quote] My object is to prevent