I agree. As it currently stands, no amount of upgrades makes a tower effective when it can be taken down with impunity by Reg. It would be one thing if Reg got the ability at level 10 or so, but IIRC they get it at level 2 or 3.
[quote who="Zamzoph" reply="6" id="2295343"]Question I have yet to see discussed: If premade teams truly desire to have competitive matches and not rofl stomps, why dont they either... A: join other matches so that they will likely be put up against another premade, rather than hosting their own all the time? [/quote] I play both premade and pug. When playing premade, it is very tedious to get everyone into a premade game hosted by someone else. I can tell
[quote who="SoFFacet" reply="3" id="2295595"] I think I've said it about 3 times now: high level end games are decided by dead DGs, not locked portals. [/quote] Low level games are decided by dead DGs. High level games are decided by map control, which includes portal locks. You can ignore creep waves if you want in the early game. You cannot ignore creep waves when giants are lumbering toward your citadel. If you don't deal with them, they start to
You didn't even put "premade" in the thread title.
[quote who="WickedBear" reply="21" id="2293143"]Theres nothing wrong with cap locks, they're a strategic addition that prevents people from flag tossing back and forth. The game is not over if you lose a flag. The game is over when you're team lets them KEEP that flag.[/quote] The real problem with flag locks is that the cool down time on the flag lock scroll and teleport scroll is less than the length of the flag lock. You can literally teleport back in and lock the flag before
[quote who="pacov" reply="12" id="2292530"] Quoting woppin, reply 8Don't take away the 3 minute rule, it's useful if someone is lagging the game up. I don't think it's worth losing the ability to leave a crap game just because people can't use all random responsibly. Good counter point. 3 min rule obviously does serve a purpose.[/quote] It is also important when someone drops right at the beginning of the game due to a connection issue. I can
[quote quoting="post"] If you are playing in a premade with friends, say so in the title of the game. It's unfair to PUGs to join a game against 3-4 players on voice comm cooperating against total strangers. [/quote] The real solution is to add random teams - then you will know instantly which games are and are not premades. The sad fact about premades is that anyone that knows what they are doing can spot and avoid premades. So premades ar
It's not even worth continuing a game if one of your teammates LD. You would be FAR FAR better off just having the DG taken out of the game altogether. My four year old son plays with more intelligence than the AI. How hard is it to program the AI to start running when it is solo and two DGs start coming towards it? Just too many good games tonight where someone LD and a close game turned into a complete route, because our brilliant AI decided to suicide every
[quote who="HorseRadish" reply="5" id="2287133"]doesn't matter under 3 minutes don't count[/quote] That's not the point of the OP.
[quote who="HorseRadish" reply="5" id="2287133"]doesn't matter under 3 minutes don't count[/quote] That's not the point of the OP.
Well the sad thing about disguised premade games is that after a while, everyone but the new players know that the match is with a premade.
[quote who="InfiniteVengeance" reply="4" id="2285692"]That's because you get matched with AI in Pantheon and Skirmish. Of course they won't be saying anything.[/quote] I had a Pantheon game the other day where a member on the other team kept cursing out the AI player in the global chat. We kept telling him that the player was an AI, but I dont think he figured it out until about midway through.
Those statistic assume that the presence of a QoT is mutually independent of what goes into the other slots. I am far less likely to take a QoT or Reg or TB or Sedna if my team does not not already have a tank of some sort. Further, for Pantheon games, QoT can only go into half of those slots.
[quote who="DeadlyShoe" reply="1" id="2286060"]I would seperate Health and Health Regen. Right now they are basically the same thing, in terms of what items you buy. If they were seperate then while you still get benefits out of +health, the attrition difference is much smaller. [/quote] I like this idea. As it is right now, I can run around with 7K health and have it regen in about 30 seconds. If I had to make a choice between HP and HP Regen I would need t
[quote who="Boxleitner" reply="13" id="2284399"]If you folks can someone program Pantheon to prevent people from disconnecting from matches before they begin then Pantheon will become a playground where true friendships and rivalries will be made.[/quote] Will you be my true friend?
I wished they would add UI elements to the lobby that gave a player's ranking, win loss record, win percentage, or something that provided an indication of your opponent's skill. Hell, just a link to their Pantheon stats would be nice.
[quote who="Lumifly" reply="15" id="2284112"] How badly you get beat has nothing to do with the other team.[/quote] What planet do you live on? [quote who="Goggris" reply="17" id="2284132"] Not feasible. Alt tabbing from lobby to look someone up will more than likely cause a crash. [/quote] I admit that it's clunky and my biggest beef with the lobby so far. But I play in windowed mode so I don't have crash issue. I wish
Wow this thread exploded. Premades have a huge advantage over random PUGs. Both from knowing how your team works to having real time voice communication. It goes without saying that if you are playing with friends, you are on a voice comm program. When I played Quake 1 DM professionally over a decade ago, we played using conference calls. Today we have ventrillo, teamspeak, and rojer wilco may even still be around. [quote who="Milskidasith" reply="8" id="
My wishlist: Premade Pantheon games. Fix the character lock up after using certain abilities (your char just stands there for a full sec). Add UI elements in lobby that launch to each players Pantheon stats.
No one likes assassins because generals are just as strong as assassins and they have minions. See how I did that.
Here is a tip: name your games appropriately. None of your last 20 games include any indication that you are are premade so I can see people joining the lobby and leaving after finding out the game includes a premade. Especially since it is clear from your record that you are stomping the other teams - you are bound to get complaints. And another tip, if you want PUG players to comeback for future games, kick people with bad win rates from the lobby so that the PUG at least has
Towers become worthless about half way through. Why would you want to buy back a tower? Not to mention that if you have cash to buy a tower back, you are probably on the winning team anyway. A better suggestion would be to make the tower upgrades more worthwhile.
[quote who="Blitz64" reply="16" id="2282619"] Yes it's tedious but better than wasting 30 minutes in a premade game. [/quote] That's my point, though. It should not be tedious when that information can be easily displayed in-game, or at least have a button in the UI that opens a browser to that person's Pantheon page. It's just a poor UI. My frustrating stems from playing MP games for the last two decades and seeing minimal improvemen
[quote quoting="post"] But even if the stat tracking weren't bugged, the stats wouldn't be that useful in terms of judging someone's skill.[/quote] Wrong. Sure, stats are meaningless within a certain band. For example, someone with a 65% win rate v. someone with a 60% win rate. That 5% can just be noise. But when I PUG against a premade, if my teammate has a 25% win rate, I leave before launch. Someone with a 25% win r
I can sympathize with the OP. Basically it comes down to doing your own detective work to know which games are premades and which are not. Four tips that I can give: Keep a list of hosts that host premade games. Play in windowed mode and spend time checking out the host at the Pantheon stats page to see who he has played is last 2-3 games with. Host your own games and put "New Players" or "No pre-mades" in the title. Play Pantheon games
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