[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="5" id="1953075"]El-D and Watertown made the important points. But I will add that no one here is against taxes. Nor even progressive taxes within reason (progressive to 90% is ridiculous however). But the problem is taxing for redistribution. There is no basis for it, and it is wrong. The reason there is an lower, middle and upper class is that at each stage of life, we earn differently. We should not be penalized for aging, yet t
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LOL you made me laugh. Yeah this is never going to happen with Dem control on all 3 lvls.
[quote who="EL-DUDERINO" reply="3" id="1952908"] If the damn gov cant seem to control its spending then we got real problems. I have to live on what i make so why the hell cant the Gov? Well said. I am very sick and tired of all the out of control spending done by government. Our deficit is out of control and part of the reason why we are in the mess that we're in. It's about time someone started pulling in the reins a bit. Obama claims that he is going
Yes read it all! From working in a union at one time myself I can say every bit of this story is TRUE! I think alot of people that say " OMGZOR NOT THE UNIONS FAULT!" are either in a union themselves or want to be in one or as far as never has been in one. Heres the story: http://mises.org/story/2124 " Where Would General Motors Be Without the United Automobile Workers Union? Daily Article by
why are people so for taxes? Okay not taxes but raising them? Dont we already get taxed enough? You have your payroll tax... things you buy besides food gets taxes you pay fees to get a stupid sticker on your plates for your car...gas gets taxed.... just about EVERYTHING gets taxed and sometimes doubled taxed... if not taxed more. I wonder how many times a can of tuna gets taxed from the catching of the fish right down to the store that sells it. If the damn gov cant se
[quote who="Nitro Cruiser" reply="7" id="1952828"] your kidding right? is this in print anywhere I saw the Fox piece, it quoted a liberal female editor of an Atlanta paper, her name and the paper escape me.[/quote] I usually dont a chance to watch the news till later at night.
[quote who="Moderateman" reply="4" id="1952557"] watertown1978comment 2your kidding right? is this in print anywhere No I am not kidding it was on the news last night, not in print, but I would bet if YOU looked for it you would find it. i WILL not do your job.[/quote] Well usually you post a link to the artical or something with a hot link... I mean its one of those things people do...sorry if I twisted your panites or something
okay okay okay Now I dont want the guys in black knocking on my door but here goes. I do tend to DL games for free. Why do you ask? because you know how many times ive gone though the reviews ect ect and went to the store to buy the game... only to get it home and play it for 10 minutes? SO i just spent 50+ Bucks on a game that all I can do is use it as a coaster. So yeah I try the games out first. I need to I can afford to
your kidding right? is this in print anywhere
What you cant live on 25.00 an hour with a 401K plan? I mean come on I can raise a family of 4 on 13.00 an hour and live okay... I dont feel on bit sorry for the unions... maybe they should have looked past greed ( and the workers for they DO HAVE A VOICE IN A UNION DUMBASSES THAT THEY ARE!) they wouldnt be sitting here worrying
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="6" id="1952215"]You get paid $100/hr. But you have to work 40 hours a week and then get taxed 50% on those 40. But because you make so much, you have to work an additional 8 hours a week for no pay. That money goes to a man who does not work at all because he does not want to. That is what you are supporting, not your flowery denial of confiscation.[/quote] OOO you smacked him good!' </
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="22" id="1951217"] How short are memories--where would most wage earners, union or otherwise, be without the constant pressure of unions in the shadows and its downstage positivism of yesteryear Yesteryear? Good. TOday? How do you think the big 3 got into the mess? Greed! And not theirs, but the unions. Laws make the pressure no longer beneficial, but now extortionist. The unions do not give back in bad years, just d
[quote who="Nitro Cruiser" reply="9" id="1950659"]Some folks aren't going to be happy until they get their next depression. But I totally agree with your plan as that would get the Democrats out of office very quickly, please hurry up Obama! That said I think the author is just stirring the pot and doesn't believe what he wrote himself. Are you lonely this weekend and need some attention? Come on now there are better ways than this.[/quote] I dont get it... y
Well I 2 lost my second job due to lay offs this year. I will be in a good light though when the dust settles because I always budgeted for if I did lose my job I could still pay my bills for about 6 months or so without losing anything.... To be honest I am actually not feeling bad for people that are in a mess. The one thing you never do is over extend which is exactly what people did. Now the jobs are going away, and they have no means of supporting themselves or bei
[quote who="pictoratus" reply="7" id="1950585"]An interesting ancillary point. Given that Obama has made it apparent he will let the tax cuts enacted by Congress expire; thereby increasing taxes for everyone (well I suppose those not paying taxes won't see an increase), can one assume he will simultaneously or perhaps pre-emptively lower tax rates on all but the 'rich' to not only offset the increased tax burden as a result of expired cuts but to also lower those rates even further
[quote who="Daiwa" reply="4" id="1950410"] Old hat thinking; the rich had its chance to do some good with its wealth and failed to focus on the real economy in lieu of phony derivatives. A non-sequitor. He's still right - taxing the rich is not going to foster job growth (except in the government sector).[/quote] Yep and how much do we really trust politicans to actually spend the money wisely? I cant think of to many times its happend. All its going to
[quote quoting="post"] Granted the economy is tanking, but that is no reason for Obama to back down on increasing the tax rate on those above 250k income. Nevertheless, to avoid further roiling the market, he should do it in increments of 1% until Bush's increase expires in 2010. It would be ridiculous for a new president to allow himself to be intimidated by Wall Street's thugs and economic pundits. The wealthy need to invest regardless of the rate. And as for capital gains,
[quote who="stevendedalus" reply="16" id="1949548"]How short are memories--where would most wage earners, union or otherwise, be without the constant pressure of unions in the shadows and its downstage positivism of yesteryear.[/quote] Unions started like just about everything with good purpose. What happens is greed starts to take over and the "then was a great thing" turns into a machine. There are many instances in history that will state thing. </
[quote who="grokTheSystem" reply="4" id="1948537"] "a czar or board to oversee the companies"—call it Gosplan—which will supervise "a restructuring of the auto industry." That's exactly what Detroit needs to recover: the benefit of government central planning. I've been thinking about this - while long term central planning has historically been a recipe for disaster, how do you deal with a situation where badly managed companies need(?) to be bailed out part
[quote who="kryo" reply="8" id="1946393"]It's a point that bears restating, as it seems watertown's comment flew right past some others here: Honda, Toyota, etc., have plants right here in the US which build many of the cars they sell here. So to say that those companies can afford to spend 30% less on labor because of government "help" is flatly wrong; their circumstances are the same as those in question.[/quote] Yep most all cars bought in the US are made in the US.
[quote who="pictoratus" reply="4" id="1948209"]I believe it is more of an indictment of the Media and its failure to inform the voters. As for Obama voters, I would guess a large portion of them were voting for 'more stuff for me' so being intelligently informed of the issues didn't come into play, particularly when they weren't getting anything substantial from the media.[/quote] Sadly you are right on with this. I n fact went around with t
[quote who="CharlesCS" reply="2" id="1947819"]I guess this proves my "ignorant vote" theory where Obama won, not because he was the better candidate, but because of ignorance by the average American.[/quote] Well duh....Un informed and not in touch... only to what the media feeds you
I agree with most you say cept for a few points. I have no issues helping people that NEED help. There are alot of people that decide not to be productive as long there are handouts.... There are people that need the handouts and there need it long term. The issue lays in the people that can do something that dont. Ive said it before that Im one of the guys that believes you do what you can to stay working. I have gotten what is now my secon
WHOOT. Man this is getting good. Heres to that change you OB people wanted... just the same ol BS! For the beating ive gotten even as far as being called a racist for not supporting him... ahh this is more icing on the cake for me