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Reply to A Republican Speaks in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] Actually, that's not what happened in that thread [/quote] From the thread: [quote] conservative1: Re-do that chart against who was in control of Congress conservative2: "Re-do that chart against who was in control of Congress, which actually spends the money." Exactly [/quote] Sounds to me like the liberal person was being asked to provide the conservatives evidence for them. [quote] One liberal posts one graphic. And you somehow mistoo

Reply to A Republican Speaks in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] I really really want to meet the "few liberals on this forum" who are "far more likely to provide evidence backing up their arguments" [/quote] https://forums.joeuser.com/343907 Here's one for starters. Particularly amusing is that when a liberal voice provides some evidence, rather than provide their own as a counter, several conservative voices seem to expect that person to then go and provide their evidence for them as well! If you're lucky ma

Reply to A Republican Speaks in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] You don't understand how this works. They just SAY it. And then it's an argument against you. The rest of the discussion is then just days and days of conservatives disproving all and every possibility liberals can make up. [/quote] Funny, since the few liberals on this forum are far more likely to provide evidence backing up their arguments compared to the conservatives who will demand ridiculous levels of evidence from anyone who disagrees with them w

Reply to OBAMANATION, the new Democrat religion in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] Our constitution says that all men are equal [/quote] An example of morality right there. While preventing murder+theft are necessary to maintain an ordered society, you don't have to have a society in which everyone is equal. People are generally accepted as equal and afforded roughly equal rights in many societies because it is deemed right (/moral) to do so.

Reply to THE ECONOMIST VERSUS THE PHYSICIST in Philosophy JoeUser Forums

A nice reminder that even if you are a genius in one field, it doesn't make you an authoritative voice in others.

Reply to Diplomacy and Iran, recipe for disaster in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] With Obama we have to wait for the results, with Bush he was clobbered before the action was even taken [/quote] Seems to be your excuse for every anti-Obama attack these days: 'oh, some unnamed person who isn't even here criticised bush, and it may have been unfairly, so that's going to be my justification for doing the same thing to Obama'. Either way though, it does make you a hypocrite if you complain about people having done that to Bush, and then

Reply to Maybe It’s Time for A Second American Revolution in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] Did you bother to read my replies? See #19. [/quote] My ability to predict exactly what you would say before you even said it happened to be failing me at that particular point...

Reply to Maybe It’s Time for A Second American Revolution in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] This makes no sense at all. No idea what you're getting at [/quote] Did you even read the title of the thread, let alone it's content?

Reply to OBAMANATION, the new Democrat religion in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] if you beleive people have the right to do something you never will its called TOLERANT OF not PRO. Pro is someone who supports it, tolerating something means you DON'T like it but accept that banning it is wrong, SUPPORTING something means you think it is a wonderful beutiful thing [/quote] I'd agree with you up to the supporting something means you think it's wonderful part. In the case of abortion, being tolerant of it means you support womens right to have one, hence are p

Reply to Diplomacy and Iran, recipe for disaster in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] this here is a prime example of Hypocrisy...but don't boo Obama for a video that clearly did not work [/quote] Except it didn't clearly not work. The video is an attempt to thaw relations with Iran and give diplomacy a try. It's not meant to be a miracle video that causes Iran to immediately abandon their entire policy and declare the US as their new allies. As such a better measure of whether the video has had any success would be to evaluate if any progress has been made aft

Reply to Maybe It’s Time for A Second American Revolution in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] The only way it is going to change is if we all rise up and fight for our freedoms, fight for our country in whatever way possible. Take it back from the Idiots and asinine fools we have given it to. [/quote] So in other words overthrow democratically elected people (people chosen by the US population) presumably with force, and put some unelected person or people in their place to rule the country as they see fit? If this wasn't JU I'd assume this was a joke threa

Reply to OBAMANATION, the new Democrat religion in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] if you believe people have a right to engage in sexual activity with others of the same sex, that makes you pro-homosexual? [/quote] Yes - you believe it should be allowed (assuming the alternative here is having it banned), just as if you believe abortions should be allowed then you are pro abortion. With abortions, there's not much middle ground when looking at whether they should be allowed (the only contentious areas are with rape and when the mothers life is in da

Reply to OBAMANATION, the new Democrat religion in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] supporting access to legal abortions is worlds different from being pro-abortion--just as supporting access to legal plastic surgery or tattooing or medically supervised treatment for drug addicion is not the same as being pro-plastic surgery, pro-tattooing or pro-addiction [/quote] But it's not worlds different - I support peoples right to get plastic surgery, or tattooing, or medically supervised treatment for drug addiction. I wouldn't do any of those things myself. That ma

Reply to OBAMANATION, the new Democrat religion in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] You're not understanding my stance. I'm taking the issue out of my hands, because what another does should not be in my hands period. Therefore, I am prochoice; i.e. in favor of others choosing what they want. I, however, choose to not support/"have" an abortion [/quote] How am I not understanding you? I'm interpreting you as saying you wouldn't have one, but support other people's right to have an abortion (and hence are pro-abortion, since you're supporting p

Reply to This Bad Economy has a Face in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] Lame dodge. So what about Dodd's, Frank's, Schumer's, Pelosi's, Reid's and Obama's roles?. [/quote] I thought Obama had just taken on the job, rather than having been the president for the last 8 years... Funny how some people here seem so quick to condemn Obama for everything wrong at the moment when he's had only a couple of months in the job, yet often start frothing at the mouth if you dare point out that Bush was the one in power for the last 8 yea

Reply to OBAMANATION, the new Democrat religion in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] lets put SMOKER in the blank... saying cancer is a smoker's disease is misleading, because non smokers can get cancer too. But smoking is a contributing factor [/quote] And hence it would be stupid to say that children shouldn't be taught that smokers are more at risk of cancer than non-smokers! [quote] The difference is that homosexuality isn't a contributing factor [/quote] But it is - if you're heterosexual, then you will typically be having 'lower risk' sex

Reply to OBAMANATION, the new Democrat religion in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] It is NOT a gay disease so mentioning that doesn't do any good and in fact would put straight people at risk because they might think that they don't have to be as careful. [/quote] If you're gay you're much more at risk of catching it than someone who is heterosexual, if everything else between them is equal (i.e. they both have the same amount of sex, are as likely to use a condom as each other, etc. etc.). It may not be the root cause, but that shouldn't mean you don'

Reply to I’m glad I don’t live in Finland in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] How many hours does a McDonald's worker spend outside work studying and preparing for his job? [/quote] It doesn't matter that much though - there are not enough hours in a day to be able to explain away much of the difference in earnings by hours worked alone, even if including 'preparation time' as hours worked. Realistically you're not going to be able to work more than 16 hours a day (and even that is a big stretch) - you need some time to sleep, eat, get to work e

Reply to Does Anybody Support the "Stimulus"? in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] they are going beyond public places and going into private buesnesses and banning smoking in those too [/quote] Businesses are public places (typically) - public as in it might be accessbale to the general public as customers or employees. [quote] In most cases the government only provided a loan or bought shares int he company neither of which stops the company from being a private company [/quote] The government gave the companies money to survive. Without th

Reply to Does Anybody Support the "Stimulus"? in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] Case in point look at the smoking bans going on...thats just one example of the gov steping in telling private companies what they can and can not do ( even though said substance is legal ) [/quote] It's not if they make it illegal (in public places). [quote] the thought of the Government being able to step in and fire people from a "private" company scares the hell out of me [/quote] The moment it was bailed out by the government it stopped being a true privat

Reply to OBAMANATION, the new Democrat religion in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] He's never going to tell a woman to go get an abortion. That would make God a liar [/quote] I thought he also said something about not visiting the sins of the father on the child, yet went on to do that very same thing (although I guess the difference there is he didn't tell someone to do that, he just did it himself).

Reply to OBAMANATION, the new Democrat religion in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] Sex education, since by design, is "value free", is not about teaching kids to abstain from sexual activity or about being chaste, not at all...rather it teaches students how to be sexually involved "safely" [/quote] By your own admission it's "value free" - it is not passing a judgement against abstinance/chastity. Hence why your "thou shalt not commit chastity" does not appear backed up by anything. Now if instead it had said 'thou shalt practice safe sex' or 'thou shalt not

Reply to Should State Government be Able to Ban Smoking? in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] I challenge anyone like the asshat aeorter to provide PROOF that smoking or second smoke causes any illness and is a major public health hazard. Not opinion or statistical bullshit [/quote] Hilarious, someone still in denial about the negative effects of smoking. Throwing insults around everywhere you can just shows up the lack of substance to your argument even more. Even the tobacco companies aren't trying to argue that smoking isn't harmful anymore Mason, so it's a pretty l

Reply to I’m glad I don’t live in Finland in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] I seriously doubt there has been much research to determine the "safe" speeds for different zones. [/quote] There has been research on the difference in stopping distances based on your speed, and the likelihood of hitting someone being fatal at different speeds. This has then factored into speed limits, meaning that speed is restricted around residential areas. It's not perfect, but it's much better than letting people speed around as fast as their cars allow them to on roads

Reply to OBAMANATION, the new Democrat religion in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote] .yes, Obama fully supports what is called comprehensive "safe sex" education whose programs are on the basis or context that anticipates or assumes that "since kids are going to engage in sexual activity" anyway, they therefore must teach them to engage in responsible sexual behavior by using condoms or birth control devices [/quote] And for the last time, telling people to have safe sex if they have sex is not the same as telling people not to abstain/commit ch