[quote who="Zyxpsilon" reply="13" id="2120379"]A software you pay for is not Public Domain. Manufacturers of that software pay real people to design, produce and distribute it. THAT's the correct behavior.[/quote] After its copyright term expires it goes into the public domain.
[quote]not in the fairy tale "Honor" system you seem to be wanting[/quote] Otherwise known as "the law" Just because the content industry has found a technical loophole ( DRM ) to nullify the provisions of fair use und the public domain , put there in the copyright for the societies good doesn't make this correct behavior.
[quote who="Sole Soul"]I highly doubt anyone's worried about such a time frame. I highly doubt you are worried about such a time frame, and if you are, I'd like to know why, because it's sure as hell not for the "good of the public domain".[/quote] 120 Years is the length of the current copyright term. After the end of it the content would theoretically go into the public domain. Practically due to the dubious benefits of DRM that isn't going to happen. I didn't invent this
[quote]No DRM/copy protection at all?[/quote] Exactly[quote]I am not sure and happy about GOO and the principle behind it. But it is still more user-friendly than being bound to Steam or Impulse or whatever else alone. They are trying, at least.[/quote] I don't believe in the principle of choosing the lesser of two evils.
[quote]Which consumer rights are missing? The only thing that may be problematic is the fact that in order to prove you own a legitimate copy, some authenticating servers must be available.[/quote] The decision weather you may or may not copy with Goo (as with any DRM) is no longer in the hands of the law and at your discretion to exercise. You have become reliant on some software that follows arbitary logic that may or may not harmonize with copyright to allow you to copy. [q
[quote who="Peace Phoenix" reply="24" id="2119889"] Since you are thinking that copyright isn't an honor system, what is your remaining problem with GOO? [/quote] Modern copyright is a regulative industry law originally designed to encourage producers of content to do something valuable for society while enabling them to reap better profits then they ordinarily would have. The authors of copyright and its subsequent editors do acknowledge
[quote who="CobraA1"]You seem to be thinking that copyright is an honor system. It's not. I suggest re-reading copyright law.[/quote] Actually that's not what I am thinking, that's what Brad Wardell thinks. [quote who="frogboy"]There are plenty of people who won't be satisfied with anything other than the honor system of IP protection and those are people I hope never buy anything form us because I don't want them as customers.[/quote] I'm thi
[quote who="Zyxpsilon" reply="7" id="2117989"] [/quote] I think so too, totally, you're the man.
I'll summarize my judgement of this thread and its conclusion Despite repeated requests for an authoritative source of technical detail (on goo) in the interest of consumers, no such answer/document was forthcoming. [quote]Developers wanting to use Goo aren't hanging out on forums sifting through comments to get details. They sign NDAs and get the full development kit.[/quote] [quote]The specific details are strewn around the forum. They're just not in thi
@Zyxpsilon, CarlitX I'm curious, seriously. What point is it that you think you have, you feel is advanced by explicit language, flaming and personal insults? You're unable to argue an opinion on a factual level and you degrade yourself by resorting to personal attacks against the originator of the debate. You know I think the topic of my personal flaws is quite boring and it is not the topic of this thread. If you want to open a new thread about how big a wanker I am, by all means do
[quote]The specific details are strewn around the forum. They're just not in this particular flame thread. Some of these threads even have diagrams.[/quote] Putting it all in one place like a website's going to actually help you sell Goo you know. I bet every publisher that contracts you wants an understandable technical description.
[quote]I would have been happy to have a better discussion on the topic but you started your thread out with a bunch of unresearched assumptions that were simply incorrect.[/quote] And not wanting to be a flamewar spoilsport the best thing that comes to your mind is descend into anti-consumer rants, personal insults and by all means no accurate technical detail.
[quote]There have been enough posts and discussions on the specifics for anyone who actually wants to learn about it.[/quote] The various bits and pieces strewn around the forum are re-iterations of your Goo marketing pitch There is no authoritative single source of accurate technical detail about how Goo works for us to see Asking what Goo really means for us in detail isn't unreasonable The authority to give an answer is you, Brad <p
You're a vocal proponent of DRM who now goes on to do his own DRM system. This is like calling home the troll hordes. Good bit about the fanboys though.
[quote]Goo makes it easy to offer what we have been doing fo rour own software to others and gives users and publishers the ability to transfer licenses (resell) and have a universal license system so that people can potentially redownload their game from anyone who carries that game.[/quote] Brad, I've plead for this before, but maybe it was droned out. Simply saying Goo is better and all isn't going any length to convince idiots like me that this is so. If you want to dispell doubts
[quote]Correct. Stardock has been doing the same thing that GOO has been doing for something like 7 years. GOO now allows *other* developers/publishers/distributors do the same thing as they have always done.[/quote] Factually not true, get your facts straight. While Stardock prez Brad Wardell maintains they do not plan on adding DRM to their own games, other publishers have challenged
[quote]No, you haven't brought up any valid concerns. You have outright stated that Stardock is somehow changing its policy which it isn't. You're not familiar with Stardock or what has gone on in the past. You're just flaming for the sake of flaming. [/quote] So Goo is nothing new?
@frogboy I apreciate you hanging out here and spending some time to bash me. I think I've raised some valid concerns, I'm afraid they apear to be burried under a ton of other comments. I respect your opinion of not wanting me as a paying customer and since you offer the truth so bluntly I shall respond in kind. I was deeply impressed by your impasionate blog entry how it's all about paying customers and not about pirates and how copy protection is worth jack, you connected to
[quote]You created an account to flame. You're not a customer. Go find another forum to troll. [/quote] And customers do not flame? Regardless, now everytime I walk past one of your games I'll remember your sound advice, I'm sure that's going to help much in making my money loose. Carry on.
@Zyxpsilon I'm not going to satisfy your thirst for a flamewar and neither am I going to pick apart your utterings piece by piece for all of the factual and logical mistakes. If you want to have a reasoned debate about weather DRM is good or not please inform yourself first, I suggest this for further consumption. http://defectivebydesign.org/ http://www.lafkon.net/tc/ <
[quote]so any other software that uses mshtml will continue to work as well.[/quote] Damn, and it felt too good to be true.
[quote]That's nice. Impulse was around long before any news about Win7 started cropping up.[/quote] is this an apology for relying on a single browser, a justification to ignore common web development wisdom, or a dare to the European Union/Windows7 to better put IE on that system or else... Impulse will not run?
[quote]Weren't you complaining about personal insults a little higher up on this page? The hypocrisy is strong with you, young one.[/quote] You find fanboy offensive? Mea Culpa, however I think you need to know thyself, and if nothing else you pretty much seem to be a SD fanboy. That's ok, I'm a Linux and python fanboy too, nothing to be ashamed of, embrace your inner fanboy.
[quote]Few of us actually use IE7 as a browser (including SD), but we all have it because it's a critical Windows component. So people complaining about the IE7 requirement is like complaining that a game requires DirectX and wondering why they can't just rewrite it with OpenGL[/quote] You might be aware that Windows7 is going to be entirely stripped off IE in the European Union because of antitrust issues.
So since this all seems to be about trust, and it's basically SD (and its fanboys) doing the "oh but they're not evil" part, and it's me doing the "I don't buy it" part, how about a token of trust from SD towards me (and in extension the "I don't buy it faction"). You can prove that you have nothing but the best intentions by: Precisely describing how Goo works, technically In particular explaining what's the encryption/obfuscation part is about What
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