[quote who="doggu" reply="93" id="2937894"]da swap is technically a stun and will stop pots/teles... EDIT: and as previously discussed is the only effective counter to a shield porting oak..[/quote] Yea but da swap is only useful for offensive purposes. Its useless if u try to get away from fights or save your teammate. [quote who="OMG_pacov" reply="91" id="2937883"]edit - visca - don't sweat talk trashing too much.[/quote] &n
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[quote who="nnnils" reply="83" id="2937822"]we just played a 2v2 with barca (qot)/naur (da) vs me (oak)/ mofofo (ice tb) - the game started with 2 kills for qot (and 2 deaths for me) but ended after 4 deaths of her in 15minutes because that qot has no survivability.. also by that time i was only lvl 9 so u can imagine what oak would have done to her end game [/quote] First of it was a terrible game for me probably worst game in weeks. Got ganked way to many times
Keep changing forms in any battle is a huge diasadvantage for queen especially if enemy is dealing u huge damage. In these sitautions your only option is to focus on shield and mulch so you pretty much deal no damage to enemy while you focusing on how to survive. I think offensive queen shud win 9/10 in 1v1 situations. Pacov in your match you used similar build order as me?
[quote who="SLEDGE71" reply="62" id="2936854"]Very good post of you visca, liked it a lot. [/quote] Appreciate it man:) glad u liked it
I think this build is the best by far for queen. And now that i found this build im actually happy when i get her when i play random. She was pretty much the only demigod for me that i cudnt get into. The reason i started this thread is because i was just so shocked how good she really is if played right. And saying that she is better than ub lategame was a bit far-fetched i admit but i did beat a few ubs so that part wasnt a lie. Thx for the info pacov a
Sledge give this build some credit man. You have seen it action a few times and not much you or your teamates cud do against it. Also im not too concerened with spirits if its just them. They arent that good without pen. Final thing, yeah you are right i havent played that much minion oak players. But i know everything about oak as he was my first main. And the reason i havent played with minion oak players in 3v3 that much is beacuse assasin oak is so much better in group fights that taking
Yea i def gonna try your suggestion with shamblers. And then im just gonna pick shamblers instead of compost and summon them at crystals before i get some mana. And yes you are right about reg. He is my biggest enemy other then ub ofc. Im not too worried about snipes actually. I just have to be careful and not get into any serious fights if he keeps sniping me. But dont see reg picking me with his snipes. He wud rather choose the person on mana and im always on hp. Im more worri
[quote who="GM-McShane87" reply="48" id="2936005"]Because you'll use ground spikes to try to stop the mass of spirits that are killing you and once I see that I'll come in and pop you one then take off. At that point you're already half dead so even if you catch me with spike wave you won't be chasing me too far, and if you don't turn around then I can come back in for another pen to finish you off since you have no defensive abilities to stay in the fight and like 3500 hp
[quote who="GM-McShane87" reply="45" id="2935966"]A good minion Oak doesn't ever have to let you hit him with ground spikes. He just has to come close enough for a pentinence every now and then and stand back while his spirits eat you which will take about 7 seconds after level 10 since you don't have mulch or shield. Even before that point, it only takes 3 levels of spirits + demolishers before minion oak can start shredding towers. [/quote] And wat makes think
[quote who="OMG_ZEX" reply="42" id="2935919"]So your going a minion QoT with NO shamblers only idols you have NO ability to survive a direct engagement because you don't take shield or mulch so basically you die to any sort of burst damage. [/quote] The reason i dont do shamblers is because i simply dont need them. I do so much damage even without them that im just too lazy to get hem before i max out spikes and moral. Thats the point of my build. I sacrifice everyt
[quote who="OMG_pacov" reply="40" id="2935800"]I'd be quite surprised if you came up with a build that folks haven't tried here before. That said, the thing with QoT is that not many people end up maining her for long that are skilled and therefore there isn't much diversity in builds. Full support qot, no shield qot, minion QoT, builds that use mulch and those that do not, etc. I wouldn't mind hearing what build you are toying with. The last person I recollect that put in som
[quote who="OMG_ZEX" reply="34" id="2935569"]As far as the UB vs Erebus match up I gave it my best effort against one of the best erebus players in the game a while ago. Ill link the replay. The game could of been mine if I got off one more tick of ooze before he batswarmed out but after that engagement I became flustered and gave up the first kill which in turn bought Renz giants. The replay is here: http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=1
too much hate man. you dont even know me come play with us sometimes you'd realise im not that far in skill from the players you mentioned even tho i dont have thousands of games like most "pros" do. And also what proof are you talking about? am i under investigation or something?:P Ub best dg at all stages of the game? are you serious lol you saying ub cud beat ereb 1v1 at the beginning of the game. now that is just stupid. Also im 100% sure my queen wud beat an ub below level 8
Zex just stop coming to this thread then noone is making you read it and post on it.
[quote who="nnnils" reply="25" id="2934952"]lol oak is much more likely tt be mana lane than qot and also qot should get cur1 and not oak. Oak can level just as fast as any other dg..[/quote] That exactly was my point that qot doesnt need to be on mana cose she doesnt need to level that much to rape you. Also oak is rarely get to mana solo as theres almost always an ub, tb or da in the team to take mana. [quote who="nnnils" reply="25" id="2934952"]yea you are on
Oh and why wud you go minion oak in 2v2 or 3v3 when an assasin oak is so much better? I havent lost to minion oak not even once when i was oak myself. Assasin oak does much better with less money so no point going minion oak.
im aware that in 1v1 oak wud win against queen. No doubt. I wasnt talking about 1v1 all along i was referring to 1v1 situations in 2v2 or 3v3. Lets face it oak is never the one to go mana solo in 3v3 and is usually the most degmiod behind in levels till around level 10. Also usually oak has to get cur1 so u cant really get your idiols going that fast. My queen build doesnt work if she has to get cur1. And nnils you really xpect to win against queen with only your idols on me. That wudnt work
Oh and pacov! In 3v3 fights it doesnt really matter wat dg u are (other then ereb or oak) if they target you first you either kill your target or they kill you. This happened to me quite a lot but we always got the first kill in these situations.
[quote who="nnnils" reply="14" id="2934710"] What about oak? with qot u put 6 points in enhanced attributes and the rest in spikes and that slowing skill if i remember right.. A minion oak that takes 6 enhanced attributes, spirits and penitence will beat your qot easily if played smart enough because of the spirits. Minion builds were always strong but the problem is that once u get caught your usually dead if nobody comes to help u. Also u cant win 2v1 unl
[quote who="OMG_pacov" reply="11" id="2934674"]Qot can surely have some pushing power here and there. And her survivability is pretty decent as long as its not a 3v3 with her being the primary target. A bit more of the weakness becomes apparent in 3v3 situations with good players on each team. A fun dg to play with no doubt, though. [/quote] Ye i agree if all 3 target queen its hard to survive. However with spike wave and boots of speed you can get away if you pay atten
[quote who="Darkliath" reply="9" id="2934660"]Yep. You saw towers have 0 armor, but when you use ground spikes, you deal more damage (negative armor). That negative armor probably increases damage as great as armor increases damage reduction.[/quote] Wow. minus 1500 armour is huge blow then no wonder im winning fights 1v2 with queen. I dealt 1.1k damage with queen with 1 hit first i thougth it was a bug but now i see how it was possible (had fell-darkur) <
Post [quote who="SLEDGE71" reply="6" id="2934592"]Every DG without a good AoE damage has problems with lots of minions, thats not something specific to UB. [/quote] i know that but i mentioned ub cose he is supossed to be the most op dg out there. And yeah i had idols maxed out and shamblers. [quote who="SLEDGE71" reply="6" id="2934592"]Besides that a health and armor stacked Ooze UB with Post Mortem should still eat you also at later stages.[/quo
You can say whatever you want but it happened.. And it wasnt a bad ub as well his only problem was that he wasnt fed by my teamates. He used like 7 sigils and he didnt even had time to port out i got his health down so quick lol... he cudnt grasp me i was just harassing him so bad throughout the game. And when i got fell-darkur it was all over With spikes maxed and that slowing thing all he cud was keep running back to base cose he cudnt get to me and cudnt deal with my minions.</
Queen owns ub lategame
Nice thread E-R-E-B-U-S . Another jerk thread plz delete