shadesofgrey

shadesofgrey

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if we could only figure out how to drive without gasoline. There are plenty of ways to drive without gasoline--they just aren't as efficient (both in terms of performance and cost)...Ethanol is poised to replace a certain precentage of gasoline in the US as part of the Renewable Fuels Mandate. Also, th

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Police statistics (in the US--sorry I don't know about Australia) show that the rate of falsely reported rapes is about 2% (http://organizations.rockbridge.net/projecthorizon/sacommonmyths.htm) , that's the same false reporting for other crimes. There is a misguided belief out there that women are crying foul all the time. On the contrary, women who do get raped aren't reporting it. I can't tell you if this footballer is guilty or not--but I

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Brad: For the sake of civility, (and because I want to leave work), this will be my last post. I just said that I couldn't give you a step by step on how to remove Saddam, but I'm sure the man could have been taken out with declaring war--we just did it in Haiti. Ideal situation, the UN is in charge, Saddam is taken out, UN peacekeepers enter--immediately. Plans to deal with the impending civil unrest, water and electricity shortag

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Every argument I've seen from you has been essentially why we shouldn't do anything. I've yet to see a suggested course of action from you. And hate to break it to you but opposing liberating Iraq is, as a practical matter, being pro-Saddam. It's not name calling. It's just reality

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You mean like calling someone childish? Isn't that what your complaint was? That I implied that the anti-war people weren't adults? And yet you explicitly label those who oppose you as behaving "childishly"? oh yea...just for the record...in the construction of that sentence, the childish refers to the

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Frankly, I don't really care whether you want to debate with me or not. Who says that you're worth my effort? What concrete points have you added to this discussion? What alternatives have you presented? What courses of action have you sugested? I have suggested other courses of action, but you are clea

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Brad: I would love to debate with you, but I'm not going to allow you to be-little me or insinuate that I am a stupid child who needs to be lead by you. If you are a leader, you should know better than to resort to childish name calling. You are in fact 100% wrong when you say that antiwar is the same as pro-Saddam. Being anti-war doesn't mean you are not for anything. I was pro- UN action to

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Like what? I guess I didn't think of any other option as realistic, given Hussein's total control of the country. Feel free to try to convince me though. Well, I'm not an expert, so I'm not sure I'll be able to convince you--just as I wouldn't expect war sup

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That's how I feel about it. Let's say that even if Bush was indeed responsible for 9/11, was Satan himself, and lied about the reasons to go to war just so he could get oil. It's still better that Iraq has a chance at real freedom than those loving French who wanted to keep Hussein in power so that they could profit from his cont

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Just one time, I would like to hear someone admit that they might not be right. Shades came close by at least saying my point was "intruiging" but in the end that's just not enough. I find myself thinking of myself as a "hard-liner" solely because if I do not set hard lines, I get lost in the dizzying whirlwind of shifting target

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If I bring up how many Iraqi citizens died because of US sanctions, would you care? Matt: I'm intrigued by this quote...from my experience a lot of the anti-war movement was also opposed to the sanctions, and had been for many years. Are you saying that there is an element of the pro-war movements wh

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[quote] I think conservatives (like myself) feel surrounded by people who either don't care or are openly hostile [/quote] and you don't think the same hold true for those of us who are liberal--please, read the forums around here... I'm not making any jump at all...Brad said " Bush never said Iraq was involved 9/11, BulbousHead " and I responded with the quote from PL 107-243 that said " Whereas the President and Congress are

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Brad, usually you make solid arguments that I can respect even if I don't agree with them, but I'm sad to say that's not the case this time. First of all, simply because I disagree with the war on Iraq doesn't make me some child that needs a responsible adult in charge. Your co

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Matt: First, I wasn't quoting the House Resolution, I was quoting the Public Law. Second, I wasn't arguing for or against the war or even whether or not al Qaeda is linked to Iraq, I was simply refuting Brad's point that the Administration never claimed any ties between Iraq and al Qaeda. Below are the quotes from Brad earlier in this thread: <TABLE cellpadding=8 width="95%" align=center bgColor=#FFF394 class="

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Wahkonta, there is a difference between stating facts and discerning which of them are relevant. The fact was very relevant--Brad was arguing that the current Administration never linked Iraq to al Qaeda--the only way to refute that is with facts (which was provided in PL 107-243). Why is it

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and it's in public law--PL 107-243: The Joint Resolution To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq PL 107-243 states Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq; Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist o

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Ok, try this then--its from CBC News President George W. Bush sent Congress a formal justification for invading Iraq Wednesday, citing the attacks on the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001. The document was delivered hours before the military strike against Saddam Hussein began. The three-paragraph note justifying war said diplomacy has failed to guarantee America's security. The Constitution gives Bush authority to "take th

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The Bush Administration HAS linked Iraq and al Qaeda--see the quotes below taken from a March 11, 2003 CNN.com article entitled "Selling an Iraq al Qaeda connection." "These al Qaeda affiliates, based in Baghdad, now coordinate the movement of people, money and supplies into and throughout Iraq for his network, and they've been operating freely in the capital for more than eight months," said U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell in his present

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OG San--great article... Another point worth mentioning on the side that it wasn't ETA is that ETA had been winding down -- ETA killed 3 people in 2003, a sharp decline from 23 in 2000. The Spanish government was cautiously optimistic that the constant arrests of ETA members would permenantly cripple ETA's ability to continue their fight. Also, if I'm not mistaken, doesn't ETA usually go for political personalities--their list of victims in

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P.S. Just as on the 'terrorist/freedom fighter' thread, I get really tired of people making a point, and then later saying they didn't make a point; they were just pondering out loud whether it was a point. If you are tired of people *thinking out loud* stop reading their posts--that's what blogging is

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Interesting--But once you wash your hands clean, and you "become legitimate," you'll still have your naysayers--Gerry Adams says he's not part of the IRA and he doesnt engage in terrorism, but it doesn't stop Paisley from sayng that he does--I think in this case a tarnished image is very difficult to repair.

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