All Kzinti warriors have undergone intensive training to resist the insidious lure of yarn-balls. It is also an excellent opportunity for our canine allies to demonstrate their battle skills. The were-wolves, Lutarines, Wolven_X....all report to the battle-front!

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And what..you think tossing a bone or a Frisbee is going to get us to...~runs off after a thrown tennis ball~

~muffled voice with a tennis ball in mouth~ what? ~spits out the tennis ball~ No...um, that was just recon. I pretended to be oblivious to my surroundings, just chasing after that velvety goodness ~snaps out of it~ that ball, but in reality I was checking for entrenched fighters.

Back on the subject, I can't wait for the new and improved MCC to come into play in 1.95. My first MV game as well as this one I'm working on now revolved around getting the Korath's Dark Influence building ASAP instead of the spore ships. With the new MCC I'll cut out the time involved in waiting for people to see that the Aul Incinerators are the hippest place to hang out in.

A hearty welcome to our newest warriors, Orlok & Sarcerok! Always remember, that if your claws can grasp it, then it is rightfully yours.

Our mighty empire is well over 30 million points on the AltMeta, and we will soon surpass 18 million points on the official Metaverse. Great thanks and congratulations to all those who have made the Kzinti a dominant force on the Metaverse!   


We havent had as much time to develop counter-measures for our canine allies, but we've got our best technicians working on it. Now if we could just get you guys to cut down on the leg-humping...

Do you know if they are fixing the MCC for just TA, or for DA/DL as well?

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I'm unsure. Normally when you see a patch fix things that exist in all versions of the game, you see a version change on those previous versions as well. That said I'd expect to see if changed in DL/DA as well. Then again, is the MCC operational (+100 econ) right now in DA?



We have horror stories on how that is fixed. I just hope they are just that...stories made up to scare young ones. If they are a reality ~shivers~.

Dont worry about that Loupdinour. Kzinti bio-tech is some of the best in the galaxy. We can always re-grow any missing...parts...   


It's definitely working in DA 1.80g, which is what I have. I havent checked lately to see if there is an new update for DA though.

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Which would you prefer? +100 econ across the empire or instant planet flips? I think it could be debated on both sides fairly well. As I already said, if I can build something to make people think the Aul Incinerator is a playground...I just need to make sure there is a conveyor belt handy for the earthly remains as the Aul is destroyed...

Instant planet flips is a nice kick in the gears to the Yor and their +100 Loyalty.

Well for scoring, and overall benefit, there's no question that the 100% econ is better. It's so good to the point of being broken though, and it should be changed, even though I would sorely miss the 100% econ bonus.

I do think the planet flipping is much more interesting and fun.

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well, I've always been a proponent of the MCC doing what it should have been doing all along. That being said, I've pretty much stopped using the MCC in all but my longest games; there's really no need for it in any general sense. If I'm relying on the MCC to keep myself financially afloat, then i have issues that I need to overcome anyhow. In the end the MCC is only truly beneficial to those that want to achieve very high MV scores, which makes it in more need of being "fixed" IMO

And the nice thing is, once you get out of this "I need the MCC to win" mentality, you start seeing the nuances and benefits of using Neutral or even Good (which I've used, especially on Diplomatic games, to a very good outcome). And finally, even without the 100% economic boost, Evil is STILL very powerful, so i don't really see what the issue is.

I agree Silver. I cant remember the last time I played anything but evil, mainly because of the MCC, and wanting to get good scores. I also love getting psionic beam early and a few other things. But it would be fun to explore the other alignments once again.

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lol, sorry KP But I just cannot imagine you good.

lol, im sure if KP went with Good Alignment, he would play like I do...a bunch of fanatical zealots that will wipe you out for even daring to think anything past Chaotic Good of course

Yes, that sounds about right. Peace through strength, enforced at the end of a blaster cannon.

That's how I play my favorite class in D&D, paladin. It's fun to be a zealot!

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few... i thought I was going to have to call the men in white coats then. ask whats wrong with KP.

After all, Evil is an opinionated term, not a concrete definition. It all depends on society as a whole, or at least which PART of society. Perhaps in Orc culture, KP's pally is considered Evil.

The best thing to remember, history is written by those who won the war...so they were right ~coughs~.

Something always bugged me about the Kzinti in bringing them from the ManKzin books to the Star Fleet Universe game system. Well this morning my concerns were finally dispelled.

Frankly here was my issue. Human and Kzinti are always at war.(Humans win every war). Kzinti tend to eat their captives.

But in SFU the Kzinti are allies with the Federation. I always thought that these Kzinti were a little less aggressive then their ManKzin cousins.

I knew the history of the SFU and I knew how much the Kzinti hated their Lyran genetic cousins but their general day to day behavior was unknown to me, until know. I found some Kzinti, SFU, reference material.

Facts of both versions.
Kzinti in both versions are ruled by a Patriarch.
Kzinti declared war on the Federation(Humanity) several times and always lost.
Kzinti eat their captives.

I guess there really isn't a difference between either universe of Kzinti.
The Federation is discouraged by the Kzinti diet to make a true alliance but they have become allies in the war against the Klingons.

Those not familiar with Star Fleet Universe just need to know that the Kzinti were losing a two front war. The Klingons and their allies the Lyrans would have defeated the Kzinti completely had it not been for the military aid of the Federation. Thus will begin the 15 year long, General War.

ya that is true becase of one thing the kzinti alwaysa attack unpared i think right KP i mean thats how they lost to the hyperpspace fleet in mankzin wars.

also i think if the enterprise setirs lasted longer we whould have figuered out how the federation-kizn wars started.

Probably not since the Kzinti were never adopted in to true Star Trek canon. There are feline races in Star Trek and the Kzinti do appear in the animated series but we never seen them in any of the series or movies. Star Trek history does not even make reference to a war with the Kzinti. Now if the Star Trek series continued we may have seen the beginning of the war with the Romulans.

True, it really is mainly a matter of viewpoint/perception.

Also, paladins are not limited to "lawful good" in most game systems. They can be an agent of any god, lawful or chaotic, good or evil. In the D&D campaign I'm in at the moment, my backup character (should my primary one die, or if I just get bored with it) is a paladin of Bane, the lawful-evil God of Tyranny....fun times!   

I've read sci-fi since I was about 10, and in the vast majority of it humans are portrayed as "special" in some way. This is only natural, as the writers are of course human, and most of the stories are written from a human viewpoint. A relevant example is of course GalCiv, where intelligent species existed with high technology for thousands of years, but nobody developed hyperdrive until humans came along. Also that the humans are closely related in some way, or even are the Dread Lords/Arnor. So I never found it surprising when the humans consistently defeated the Kzinti in every war. Disapointing perhaps, but not surprising. In reality, humans are probably not any more or less "special" than the average intelligent species that may may exist in the universe.


Early Kzinti tactics (the 1st through 4th fleets) against the humans consisted mainly of traditional "scream & leap" tactics, which had always worked well against all other foes. Also political, social, and military power in the Patriarchy of Kzin is less centralized & organized than many other inter-stellar governments, which is a remnant of the feudal system that the Kzinti lived under when discovred by the space-faring Jotoki. Individual lords/warlords, while technically under the command of the Patriarch, in reality have mostly a free-hand to act as they see fit. The first 4 fleets that attacked the humans were really a collection of various warlords and individual warriors who came to fight an interesting prey-species. The 5th Fleet in contrast, was highly organized under the unyielding command of Chuut-Riit, one of the sons of the Patriarch. Discipline, command structure, and organization were strictly enforced, and warriors were schooled in many advanced tactics & strategies. If not for the assassination of Chuut-Riit by the humans, and the gifting of the hyperdrive to them by the Outsiders (due to the meddling of the Puppeteers), the 5th Fleet would undoubtedly have conquered Sol, which was the last remaining major stronghold of the humans. With hyperdrive, the humans were able to run circles around the Kzinti and strike deep into Patriarchy territory at will. So in essence, it took the conjunction of the humans, Puppeteers, and Outsiders (a very highly advanced species) to defeat the ferocity of the Kzinti.

Kzinti in later centuries tended to be much more cautious and cunning, but their numbers had been greatly reduced by all the unsuccessful wars against the humans.

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well, it didn't help that all the most ferocious Kzinti were all killed, leaving in general a more "thoughtful" race.

also, I seem to remember reading that the writers of "Enterprise" had planned to introduce the Kzinti in the fifth sesason of the show. Also, "Kzin" did appear on many star maps in TNG, and a feline stripper from ST V: Final Frontier was called a "kzinrett" backstage.

so they can be considered a "canon" ST race, even though their main appearance was in the non-canon Animated Series.

All that I wrote above is in regards the the Known Space universe, rather than ST.

Yes the Kzinti are definitely canon in the Star Trek universe, although I am not really very familiar with it. Larry Niven and Gene Roddenberry were good friends. It's rather odd that i dont know much about the Kzinti in the ST univerese, because I love both the Kzinti and Star Trek. I never watched enterprise, as when it started I didnt have cable TV, and I can get maybe 3 good channels with just antenae here in VT!

Having the more aggressive bloodlines of the Kzinti eliminated in the Man-Kzin Wars was another part of the plan of the Puppeteers, as revealed by Nessus in "Ringworld". Dishonorable grass-eating herd-beasts!!

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At least they weren't bred for luck, like humans.

no not necasraly i saw some where i don't remember but in the 5th or 6th sesion of enterprise they were going to do a two part episaod of first contact with the kzin. but it did not last. maybe the movie in 2009 will be better then the TV show.
oh as a point the Romulan-earth war was befor the enterprise era i think in 2100 in star trek time.

that proves that allieces are stronger then on gient force of one faction

Have to disagree on that one. The first time the Enterprise encounters the Romulan ship in the mine field they have zero knowledge on who these guys are. The war comes later even though during the entire conflict they never seen each other's faces. The end of that war established the neutral zone. Had the Enterprise ran into the Romulan vessel in the mine field after the war they would have crossed over the neutral zone and been shot on sight.

Thus in TOS: Balance of Terror they are surprised they look like Spock.

But we may want to get back to talking about those playful kittens then the pointy eared Roman wanna-bees.