1v1 how to defeat UB with Regulus?

I have no idea, I have the exact same issue, in fact I'd go as far as to say 1 on 1 UB > Regulus.  Yeah yeah the game isn't balanced around 1 on 1, we all realise that but honestly the best thing you can do is to find a different area of the map.  Mine flags aswell ofcourse but most later game UBs I encounter have crazy health regen anyway so it doesn't make a huge difference.

If it comes down to a fight you may win (you have an ally) the best approach is MoB, lay mines at your feet where he will run to you and then start unloading.  Taking that Symbol of Purity seems essential at the moment.  Oh and don't stand in the green sh**....

I wonder if that was me...  I played somebody twice in a row who used Regulus and they quit both times.

Maybe in the 2v2 game, I didn't take note of the name of the UB then (it was an EU custom game).

But in the 1v1 Pantheon game, it was definetly a different name.

I know people want to punish quitters, so until the UB is rebalanced, I've decided to simply not play any Pantheon games at all, and leave any lobby which has an UB on the opposing team. It may sound silly, but games are supposed to be fun, and playing against the UB currently is not fun for me.

I had the pleasure of playing 2v2 against 2 Unclean Beasts. 

Except it wasn't any pleasure at all. Playing as Regulus, both beasts spitting once will kill Regulus without needing the Beasts clawing you even once. And they just kept doing this for many levels. Of course they leveled quicker and the game got very unfun even sooner.

I would love to have the symbol of purity if I see an Unclean Beast, but a) favor is broken and why are you stuck with the symbol of purity because an Unclean Beast is on the field, whereas the opponent is free to take favor items to beat you with?

There is an item (potion) that removes all negative effects from you - will get rid of that nasty dot.

Regulus is kind of a slow bloomer, but once you get the third rank of the mines and mark of the betrayer, Regulus starts to get the upper hand against the Unclean Beast, in my experience.

Your only option is hide behind a tower so forces UB to take damages from the tower.

I'm beginning to wonder if GPG employed a rock, paper, scissors strategy when creating the Demigods... like, UB takes Regulus, Regulus takes Rook, Rook takes UB? But they seem pretty tight lipped about their balancing strategies...

I've been having this very problem. The trouble is that ALL of the Dark Demigods (except maybe the Queen) have easy instant significant damage. Fireball, Bite, Spit. Regulus's Snipe simply doesn't measure up, and the Rook has no such skill (That can actually hit people), nor does Sedna (Pounce never, EVER, EVER actually hits the enemy). It's simply a question of the Light side has no damage, and even in groups this doesn't change. Dark, on the other hand, can happily put three Demigods in one place and throw them all and easily kill a Light Demigod, then his allies.

I have no prob with ub as reg, what i do is concentrate on leveling on creeps for a few lewels until i have good mines (2-3 a cast) and the mark of the betrayer. Everytime he spits from then on, he walks thru some mines+get raped by the mark when spitting(mark have longer range than spit), loosing more health than me, and getting slowed to a crawl. After this its usually just a few shots and he goes down, if he outruns my range i just snipe-finish. Regulus have 3 great ranged skills to handle ub with, while ub only have one ranged skill and thats it.

Speed, stamina, and heart of life, and + damage/life drain items -- go angel/stats as opposed to mines or snipe and get maim/range as well.

Get the speed wand and any speed upgrades. Be very wary to ever let him come close to you until you have high enough stamina that you outscale his spit. If he spits on you, hit wand and run. If you've stacked the items right you will have enough stamina to outlast teh spit. When the spit has warn off pop your heart of life for a quick recovery. If you can get a hold of mage blade and or ashkandor plus other + damage items your damage per second will outscale his fixed ability of the spit. Basically you will do a lot more damage to him before he does it to you and with maim he can't get away.

Be patient until you get very high levels. At that point if you have your damage per shot and health buffed up w/ some life drain items you will be able hold your ground with him.

You also have to learn how to play with the creep waves so they work in your favor and avoid engaging the unclean beast until you are secure that you can handle the spit/grasp combo w/o running. Be careful not to be the first guy in the mash w/ the creeps beating on you along w/ the ucb b/c you can't sustain all that damage.

With full angel and the right items, you should be doing 300 to 400+ a shot. Also get the items that allow for 2x and or 4x crits.

I'm sure there are ways to do this w/ mines and snipe but I found just going full out angel/health stats (bottom row of skills)/maim/range upgrades is easier. Also balance your items for stamina speed in mid early game, then transition to more +attack rate/damage/+crit w/ lifedrain added bonuses late game.

At any rate, it is still a very hard matchup for regulus and that speed wand w/ 50% boost and heart of life will get you through mid game.

The other thing is to not neglect your city upgrades as well. If the UCB goes w/ a dedicated hero kill build, he's not super great at killing the creeps because of lack of aoe, at least not in the same way an aoe hero is. Use your angel build to keep ahead on creeps because you can take out a lot fast when you have the +attack rate coupled w/ angel form.

Well anyway, I'm playing OAK now because I almost found Reg too easy after a while. Even though Oak is a tough hero, his activatable skills are more useful than Reg's imo.

Having same problem here. Becomes quite annoying when every game you play in Pantheon is with an Unclean Beast. Using the same overpowered tactics over and over again. Having quite a low of playtime I can safely say without hesitation UB is fucking overpowered. Like in a fighting game he's the noob character.... he's the chracter that, by learning just a few noob tactics you can dominate anyone of any skill level except for Vets.... the ratio between amount of skill and time required to play DG right and dominate is low compared to any other Demigod. He's the Kilik (soul calibur) of Demigod. Cheap, easy to use, fast, takes no time to master, fucks the shit out of other noob chracters and can even take on more experienced players and well, win. Rediculus... difference is, this being the type of game it is, it can be nerfed and fix unlike a fighting game. SO I hope they nerf the shit out of UB. It's gotten out of hand.

I must also say, I have attempted to emulate the typical tactics used by UB players... and guess what. THEY WORK. Everytime I play as UB I win, I just use same tactics over and over again. It really does work...it requires minimum effort, minimum skill level, and minimum time sinking...

Please, NERF him. Only reasons I'm not playing as UB now are: I'm on light side... and... I find Unclean Beast to the both most uninteresting chracter in the game.

Unclean beast plays a pretty gangsta counter against regulus. Like it was said though, the balanced isnt based around one vs one. If you cant fight an unclean, I'd suggest getting someone like a Sedna or Oak to compliment your ranged nuking capacity with an upfront tank/CC.

...God you're fucking retarded. Theres four demigods to play against in pantheon. It's pretty likely that in 2v2-5v5, you'll come out fighting at least one unclean. Stop crying you ignorant newbie.

Rook= boulder roll + smash works very well -- key is getting that boulder roll off to stun the enemy, queue up the smash w/ the center of the circle exactly on the target for max damage. It's pretty devastating.

Sedna= pounce works well and does a lot of damage, coupled w/ her survivability it is dangerous. As for it never hitting people, I just haven't found that to be the case. However she is a hero meant to heal and outlast and therefore her spike damage is limited, I'll grant you. However, a well timed pounce is a hero killer.

Oak= funny enough, I love this guy for burst damage. late game I try to engage the enemy this way: basically I lure him to the point where two creep waves are coming together, drop a ward, hit him w/ an opener penitance, to slow him and get him nervous when his life suddenly drops, then I cast surge of faith, what happens is I now have a lot of spirits, my minions, and friendly creeps backing me. He's got nothing or half dead minions at most. Also my attack damage is buffed and so is my army because of surge of faith. Now he wants to run, but he can't because penitance is back up. penitance, surge of faith, penitance again is a lot of damage. You can also shield/heart of life in the middle of this...which means you will be topped off in health despite him blowing cooldowns.

Regulus= as I noted above, I don't rely on snipe and mines because they don't scale with stamina and you have to stack mana regen to keep them flowing. Instead I go for straight angel/stats/maim/range and with the right items you will do insane damage per second on your foe. The way this works best is to back up another hero who is engaged w/ a foe. Your opponent cannot get away but yet can't stand toe to loe for long because you are doing 300+ per tick unless they have stacked a lot of armor. However if you do go mines / snipe you have a lot of burst damage as long as the opponent runs over your mine field before the creeps do.

With all that said, all of the dark Demigods are dangerous and must be respected but I don't think they are clearly overpowered at all. There's a few skills that might be a little nutty (like Bite and Spit) but still I don't think you have to be afraid of the forces of darkness.

Shut the fuck up. Every 2 vs 2 I play is with a fucking UB.  I don't mean just one UB, I mean every player is a UB in every game.

Fuck off and die.

Look at that, someone was nice enough to explain how you can play to beat UB. Instead, you respond to my provocative and elitist remarks. Seems to me like you're more interested in whining than learning how to play better...

Regulus has a good counter to beast it is MoB and Mines 1 v 1 plus AF and maim with range.  Beast only has one attack he can hit you with is spit.  If you are dumb enough to stay in melee range you deserve to die. MoB mine retreat rinse and repeat.  And get wand of speed to get away from him.

Regulus shouldn't have too much trouble with UB if he has mines. Spit alone won't kill you (it does 1500 dmg over 10s at max tier), and he has to be in melee range to ooze/melee you down. If you're regulus, get swift anklet + speed boosts (upgrade to the better speed boots when you get money). Speed is the key, as is having health pots. If you have room for it, and want to add insult to injury bring an +hp scroll.

UB has mana issues normally in the beginning, so use this to your advantage. If you're using your mines correctly, and your snipe you should be able to scare UB off, if not kill him.

In addition I find machine gun regulus (atk speed buff, and crit items) to be very effective as well.

beast is a fast melee damage dealer with above average armor  (below average health though). he has slowing and stunning abilities and his main damage spell is a DoT so you can't avoid the damage from it by retreating. once its on you its already too late. 

all of this means that he has several advantages against Regulus. 

take the hint and understand that he's got your number in one on one combat. he moves faster than you and hits harder than you. you can't take him in a straight fight. it is a hard counter situation if you approach it in a head to head situation. 

as Regulus you need to be using your range to your advantage. you need to start retreating WAY WAY WAY sooner than you have been. you need to go find a more durable DG and play ranged support for them. Sedna, QoT, Oak, or Rook are all good choices to hold the line for you while you shoot at the bad guys. 

i think you'll find that as you improve your play UB becomes less and less of a problem. at the moment it seems like you badly underestimated his damage ability and are basically just over-extending yourself and getting killed. you'll figure it out with some more experience. 

Beast is nothing your 1500 damage you spit has cost you 25% movement speed and -800 damage from MoB now when 3 mines explode on you i do a lot more damage then you. Beast vs Regulus is a bad move Why do you think light side made the comeback on Dark side last time. This time dark will stomp this time cause they have learned the OP of lord Erebus

The problem is that in a small sided situation (1v1 or even 2v2) you cant just run every time you see him because then you spend all your time running and he spends all his time farming/flagging.

The bottom line is that unless the UB is terrible, you arent going to be able to do anything in an early game situation other than run.  I suppose you can keep running around hoping to eventually get to a high enough level to be able to do something, but you are starting off the game with a HUGE disadvantage that you arent going to overcome unless you are substantially better than your opponent.

Stacking speed kind of works, but you do have to note that if you stack speed to just be able to run effectively, that you are going to be way behind in damage ability since you are taking speed over damage on all those items.  It keeps you alive well, but its not going to turn the game around in a 1v1 situation.

Frankly, Pantheon is a little lame right now.  Dark is very strong early on with Bite and Spit from their two most popular DGs, which just makes things a headache.  Plus Pantheon is almost always small sided, which makes it tough to play for Reg since that often means that you will be facing a UB in something like a 2v2 situation, which is a very difficult matchup.

Most of these problems go away once you get above 2v2.  Then you can avoid UB early on without your entire team giving too much ground up and get to the midgame where you can do a bit better against him.

Frankly, your best option for Reg users who are tired of UBs might be to play Custom 3v3 and higher.  Pantheon especially just isnt that fun consistently for me either because constantly going against UB as Reg in 2v2s is just a constant uphill battle which isnt fun to be doing on a consistent basis.  If it gets to 3v3 or 4v4 its not biggie, but with small sides its just a constant headache.

Come on now.

You are suggesting a 4 attack chain that requires that you get the first shot in as a counter to a 1 shot move from UB.  Not to mention that the counter chain you suggest costs something like 2000 mana even with level 1 mines compared to 500 for the UB spit.  AND it requires a level 5 skill (MoB) as a counter to a level 1 skill (spit).

Sure you this is something that you can try, but a 2000 mana 4 shot chain that requires level 5 to counter a 500 mana 1 shot chain that can be done at level 1 is hardly something that is going to make a UB "nothing" and its hardly a strong counter to it.  Unless you are substantially better than the UB, he is still going to eat you for lunch early in the game.

Ok, I was gonna be lulzy, but instead a real post. 

I see 2 ways, depending on build. MotB works regardless of build. 

If you went a DPS build, you NEED to be able to outrun him (including maim). Unfortunately this is impossible without MotB, Anklets (only if he didn't get them), or Wyrmskin Handgaurds procing. Once he can't outrun you, it's simply a matter of out-dps'ing him. 

Other option is to hit him a with a mine field then add some damage and then hit him with snipe, hopefully killing him. 

Also if he's harassing you just avoid him when you're low on HP. Run to base and heal. Maybe invest in a HoL (yes I know it won't work while spit is on you :/). 

It will take away from your dps, but if you are really having problems with getting away from UB you can get Cloak of Elvenkind. I'd just recommend boots+swift anklet+wand of speed though.

I remember my brother cursing and swearing about the unclean beast, and how he was killing him over and over again.  So I sit down and watch him play.  He didn't bring potions to battle, he didn't carry teleport scrolls, and most certainly he hadn't invested in any defense bonus items.

Unclean Beast really demands potions early on, since spit can whittle down a level 1 or 2 demigod very quickly.  The thing is, the beast will run out of mana if you heal between his spits.   He won't have enough mana to kill you, and he'll have to return to base to charge up or a pop a mana potion.  While the beast is pretty terrifying, he can be easily dealt with just by playing defensively and popping a potion.  Purging his effect will also deny him most of his damage, but early on I find that the cheap combat healing potions are nearly a full heal anyways.

I was Sedna and came up in a 1v1 Pantheon against UB on Crucible, Fortress mode.

I got creamed.  There was only 1 flag to fight over (artifact/gold), so I couldn't exactly just go cap another flag while he was capping that one.  There was only one place to camp creeps.  I just *could not* kill him or survive his attacks.  If I tried to go cap the flag, he would just go over and beat me up before the cap was complete.  If I tried to get XP from creeps he would just go over and beat me up.  If I hid behind my towers, I wouldn't get any XP meanwhile he would rack it up killing my creeps.  And he was racking up more gold due to owning the flag.  I *was* able to cap it once and lock it.  But that just delayed him a bit so I could get some XP from creeps while he recapped.

Anytime I tried to fight him with the usual pounce silence and heal, he just outdamaged me so badly that I would die anyway.  If I ran, he was usually faster due to his slowdown or he would stun me.  If I upgraded my speed, he would upgrade his speed.

I was able to stay within a level of him for most of the game but was badly behind on gold (due to him killing me over and over b/c I couldn't really "hide" from him and still win the game, and also due to him holding the gold flag).  As he spent his gold on items it got worse.

At one point, I sold all the items I had and spent all my savings to buy priests/angels/cata/giants all at once.  That turned the tide of battle for about a minute and I was able to push and take out one of his fortresses.  But he admitted he'd just been saving up for some big artifacts and cursed me b/c he had to spend it on reinforcements instead.  Once his giants came out, the battle went back to the way it was and he pushed me back and eventualy won.

I knew from the very beginnig of the match that I was toast--but I did give it my best shot and was able to kill him 2-3 times compared to his 15 or so kills...and it was interesting.  But it would get old real quick.

I'm not saying that UB is OP or Sedna is weak.  I just think having Pantheon spawn 1v1 games is lame.  The DG's are not really balanced in 1v1 so if you like playing support DG's like Sedna you are screwed if one of these comes up.