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1v1 how to defeat UB with Regulus?

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1v1 how to defeat UB with Regulus?

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Everyone's saying that Erebus is overpowered, but how about that annoying dog?

I've encountered him in two games now, and both games I had to QUIT because the game was not only futile, but NOT FUN.

Here is how it goes down:

The bloody UB wears me down to about 50% hp, then spits on me and goes back to killing mobs. I die from the poison.

Sometimes he just spits on me, then goes away... comes back later, spits, goes away. Third spit kills me.

There is no way to hit and run with him, because he is faster.

The mines early in the game consume over 1/3rd of my mana, so I can't put down more than two, and that barely dents the UB.

One time, I put down 8 bloody mines in front of him, and he got to me with like 15% hp, and killed me still.

This scenario plays out at around level 1-7, over and over again for me.

I cannot see a strategy to beat him with Regulus.

The last game I saw, was the dog spitting and chasing me and one of demigod, which is really pathetic because 2 on 1 shouldn't ever bloody work.

Call me noob, but using Regulus against the UB, I cannot see how I could possibly defeat him early in the game.

Call me a quitter, but after the 10th death before even hitting level 5, you've given so much gold to the other team that what's the point in continuing?

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Reply #26 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting NeoVain, reply 9
I have no prob with ub as reg, what i do is concentrate on leveling on creeps for a few lewels until i have good mines (2-3 a cast) and the mark of the betrayer. Everytime he spits from then on, he walks thru some mines+get raped by the mark when spitting(mark have longer range than spit), loosing more health than me, and getting slowed to a crawl. After this its usually just a few shots and he goes down, if he outruns my range i just snipe-finish. Regulus have 3 great ranged skills to handle ub with, while ub only have one ranged skill and thats it.
End of NeoVain's quote


This is how Reg beats a spit UB in 1 v 1.  3M.  Maim, Mines, Mark of Betrayer - yes, you avoid UB until level 5 or higher, but you make up the deficit in map control pretty quickly when you can kill him or run him off every time.

Reply #27 from Demigod Forums Top

I've heard different answers in the Demigod chat, so I'll ask here again:

1) People say that there is an item to counter the UB spit, but I can't find it. Someone hinted that it was a favor item? If that is the case, that's seriously unbalanced, but I'm guessing I'm missing something obvious, like a standard potion which removes debuffs?

2) I don't think mark of the betrayer work again the spit... is that the case, or am I just missing something? (I hope I'm missing something, because otherwise, again, seems unbalanced...)

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Reply #28 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting eobet, reply 2
I've heard different answers in the Demigod chat, so I'll ask here again:

1) People say that there is an item to counter the UB spit, but I can't find it. Someone hinted that it was a favor item? If that is the case, that's seriously unbalanced, but I'm guessing I'm missing something obvious, like a standard potion which removes debuffs?

2) I don't think mark of the betrayer work again the spit... is that the case, or am I just missing something? (I hope I'm missing something, because otherwise, again, seems unbalanced...)
End of eobet's quote

 

Orb of defiance is a trinket that makes you invunerable for 5 secs and like the other invunerables should put you in good stead v Spit..

 

 

Reply #29 from Demigod Forums Top

never ever ever killed a player with spite 1... mainly u spite lvl1 skill at player to retreat and farm the exp... so dont get freaking scared and with AF u will clear the grunts first, means, they will attack him, if he stepps forwards...go some steps back untill ur tower will hit him. every ub trying to kill u there will die at lvl1 :x

UB gets hard at lvl4 with spite 2 i actually starting killing or try to kill enemy DGs, with lvl 5 comes AE creep for the UB so than can outlvl ur AF if u let him. u should be 1 more lvl above him when he reaches lvl 5 so u should have better mines...

if u get an skilled reg it can be hard for ub

just my 2 cents

Reply #30 from Demigod Forums Top

For pete's sake, all the people saying UB is overpowered aren't thinking it through.

If you are ANY general character GET MONKS.  It will COMPLETELY negate spit, and higher level healers will continue to do so as the game progresses and spit gets more powerful.  For instance, the person saying they couldn't beat him with Sedna, if you had gotten monks they would have healed you to spit's almost max damage, and combined with heal you could have completely negated UB and made him worthless and angry, unable to farm creeps or even stand a chance.

If you are an assasin type, and you see UB, farm a different lane until you get health increasing items and health per second.  If you get geared up right, (don't bother with speed items UB will outrun you, your only chance is to outlast him) your health per second combined with high health will destroy him.  And if you are a ranged assassin such as Regulus or Torch Bearer, and UB closes the distance to melee range, no offense but you deserve to die.

Spit is great and all, but against people that know what they are doing, it is worthless.  If you see them going for monks or if you aren't killing them, I usually don't get rank 2 spit and go for a pure melee UB with ooze and his grab move.  (Spit 1 will still be semi-useful for killing fleeing demigods)

TBH the only demigods that are a little OP right now is rook towers and some of oak's abilities.  Otherwise now I've pretty much heard everyone say every demigod is OP.

Reply #31 from Demigod Forums Top

Call me silly, but what is "monks"? I see nothing of the like in the item shop, and I still can't see anything in the item descriptions which would negate spit.

Also, I tried to train UB takedown tactics against the AI, but it was completely useless because even at higher difficulty levels, the AI simply doesn't use spit.

Reply #33 from Demigod Forums Top

"monks" are former known as summoned healer minions, buyable for 900g @ shop, but only 4 generals! u can find tham in the sektion with the star as symbol. buy em, summon em, sell em, if u know how to play and dont die its the best start for any generall.

Reply #34 from Demigod Forums Top

I have recently started playing Regulus over the past couple days and I have yet to lose a game(except when my partner(s) quit mid game).

I have yet to have a problem with UB, maybe I just haven't played a GREAT UB player but the solution is simple. Out range him.

If UB gets early kills then it's GG. But to control him you snipe from afar, using sight from your mobs. Create mine fields BEHIND YOU. I usually will put a mine field just behind where my creeps meet in the lane and just out of range of my first tower. That initial snipe will bring down his health before you even engage him. Then he thinks he has the advantage, but a players retreat stops when they get into a tower range, that's why you put mines a little away from the tower's range (illusion of safety). SO now, after he realized he's made a GRAVE mistake, he has to retreat. Then it's up to you, if he's in range and you can get the kill then you are golden, also snipe should be up around now so you might not even have to follow him for long. But DO NOT overextend. As soon as he runs you win, even if you didn't get the kill. Because now he's wasting time going back to the crystal and you control the lane.

NEVER get inside his range, if you see him coming back up to your tower. You can chip away at him from afar. I guarantee you that he needs to retreat back to his crystal faster than you do.

Early on I suggest you get mana pots, but as soon as you can get the Vlemish Faceguard.

Reply #35 from Demigod Forums Top

I usually play TB, Regulus or Oak. If I am Oak, i have a fun game against UB as I just pop shield when I am spat on.

On the other hand, if I am TB or Regulus, its usually GG. I don't feed, get defensive items and always play it safe. however the amount of control and levels UB gets early game gives them such a great start that its very hard to win (though i have managed to occasionally).

Some tips I have found:

  1. Get combat potions early game
  2. Always carry a TP scroll
  3. Get the Banded Armor for $550 (Equiv of One Combat Potion every 2.5 minute)
  4. Late game get Restorative Scroll for $250 for quick removal of late game spit (0.3 casting time)
  5. Stay behind towers and just heal when your low (a death is to costly on experience, gold given & gold lost)

So in small maps its pretty much GG from the start with some (most?) demi's unless you completely outskill your opponent.

Quoting Thrandiul, reply 5
Otherwise now I've pretty much heard everyone say every demigod is OP.
End of Thrandiul's quote

I have yet to hear anyone say QoT or TB are OP, most people think Erebus is ok or to nerfed atm. I think what people are forgetting is no one is saying UB is over powered, but the spit skill is just to good (i.e. requiring the oposing team to change thier entire item build to have a half-even footing at expense of dps/mana) - The dev's want each skill to be good, and not have one skill that is a MUST have for any build (like erebus bite, rook's tower's and UP spit).

Reply #36 from Demigod Forums Top

Yea haven't had a problem with UB on Sedna or Oak. Regulus is a different story. I lean to a stat plus af with mob and while it puts out alot of dps it's not enough to get through UB dps with heal potions. Now if I had at least a couple ranks of mines plus this and got a pre snipe off it can be done. If you use mob it's usually a good idea to apply it and watch for it to take effect then kite ub till the next app or use it to get away.

Reply #37 from Demigod Forums Top

Being an OK-ish UB character myself, I must confess that a skilled Oak or Regulus gives me the chills. Those who haven't mastered Regulus yet are however among the easier newcomers to kill - Regulus is even squishier than my dog.

Reply #38 from Demigod Forums Top

As Regulus, its all about the first encounter. I always take Blades of the serpent as my favour item. Next, I purchase the scailed mail, gauntlets of Brutality, and a small potion. AF along with BotS means I never have to buy a mana potion.

Duke it out at the first flag. Most UBs take the speed anklet and/or the speed boots. If he spits then thats why you have a potion. Do not forget to activate BotS. If you can bully him off the lane, you will outlevel him initially. If your still fighting him and you lvl, then take the scope skill. If he spits again and you know you will die, try to die by an enemy tower or fortress. If not, start shooting the closest tower while waiting for the next wave. Knock a tower down and the UB takes longer to get back to you  (no teleport)

Don't save for the uber gear early. Continually upgrade your gear and make sure and buy the tower upgrades ASAP.

 

 

 

 

Reply #39 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Cicatriz117, reply 9
NEVER get inside his range...
End of Cicatriz117's quote

Spit has an equal range to Regulus early in the game, so you can't damage him unless you let him spit on you. And early in the game, Snipe doesn't do much to an UB, as does

Quoting firegoesm0w, reply 8
"monks" are former known as summoned healer minions...
End of firegoesm0w's quote

Thank you for the explanation. But that only means the person didn't read the topic. This thread is about Regulus, vs. the UB and unless I missed something huge, Regulus can't have minions.

So, we're back to square one? There actually is NO standard item for Regulus to battle the spit?

Quoting MannanMackie, reply 10
On the other hand, if I am TB or Regulus, its usually GG.
End of MannanMackie's quote

I'm not familiar with the term "GG". What does it mean?

Quoting Ravyn74, reply 13
I always take Blades of the serpent as my favour item. Next, I purchase the scailed mail, gauntlets of Brutality, and a small potion. AF along with BotS means I never have to buy a mana potion.
End of Ravyn74's quote

Thanks, I will try your tips. Though in my experience, a small health potion is never enough to negate the spit.

Reply #40 from Demigod Forums Top

Okay, so here's the thing:

Regulus is not great against every DG.

NO DG is great against every DG.

So Regulus has trouble with direct damage due to low hp and a need to concentrate either on pure damage upgrades and/or mana items early.

What can you do? Two options. Go to a different lane to pick a fight with a DG you have a better chance against or buy items that upgrade HP, which don't normally benefit Regulus much.

Reply #41 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Ravyn74, reply 13

I always take Blades of the serpent as my favour item. Next, I purchase the scailed mail, gauntlets of Brutality, and a small potion. AF along with BotS means I never have to buy a mana potion.

Thanks, I will try your tips. Though in my experience, a small health potion is never enough to negate the spit.
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Sorry, I meant at the start of the game you only have enough money for one small health potion.

Reply #42 from Demigod Forums Top

UB is what I consider an early game and late game demigod. His spit at level 1 is really painful for that level. But you got to remember that his mana starved at the start. late game with items his really high dps, and his skills make him pretty powerful.

Early game most heroes should avoid Ub due to spit, once you get a few levels and items and if you haven't feed the UB you should be able to start turning the fight.

how to deal with him early game: As reg stay behind the front line and shoot the UB. The damage adds up, sure he can spit but make him work for the spit by having him run through your mobs. Your goal is to make him back off first. Once then start farming those creeps, cause as reg your best option is to level up faster than the UB. Avoid baits.

Reply #43 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting eobet, reply 2
I've heard different answers in the Demigod chat, so I'll ask here again:

1) People say that there is an item to counter the UB spit, but I can't find it. Someone hinted that it was a favor item? If that is the case, that's seriously unbalanced, but I'm guessing I'm missing something obvious, like a standard potion which removes debuffs.
End of eobet's quote

Favour Item - Symbol of Purity

Cost: 560

Instant  - 30 Second Cooldown

Use: Purge all negative effects, cannot be used while stunned or frozen

+250 Health

I've had this used against me on my Unclean Beast though and I can tell you that it is little if any real help, and definitely not likely to save a Regulus in the early game.  Some of the other Demigods can get some use out of it though.

Reply #44 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Extacide, reply 15

Look at that, someone was nice enough to explain how you can play to beat UB. Instead, you respond to my provocative and elitist remarks. Seems to me like you're more interested in whining than learning how to play better...
End of Extacide's quote

quit being a toolbag.

Reply #45 from Demigod Forums Top

Let me master playing Regulus, then I'll tell the OP how to handle every Demigod as Regulus player. Please be patient for now.

Reply #46 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Sythion, reply 15

NO DG is great against every DG.
End of Sythion's quote

Except Erebus.

Reply #47 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting _PINK, reply 21

Except Erebus.
End of _PINK's quote

OMG Erebus haters. Stop lying or sucking. Erebus can be beat by EVERY DEFENSIVE BUILD, not to mention by most DGs straight up late game.