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The Health Care Bill passes

from JoeUser Forums

People tend to project their hopes and dreams onto things based on their name.

They hear “health care reform” and they see their ideological allies supporting it and they assume it does all kinds of magical things.

For those of you glad that the bill passed, be aware that what was passed resembles nothing like what is in Europe or Canada. 

Here’s what it does (you can read the details at CBS News):

1. It “provides” insurance to 30 million Americans. How does it do this? They made it illegal not to buy insurance. Voila.  Seriously. That’s how they did it. If you don’t, you’re fined $695 annually.

2. They make it illegal for insurance companies to deny coverage to those with pre-existing conditions. So the person with basic math skills who figures out that $695 annually is a lot less than $6,000 annually ($500 X 12 months) can wait until they get pregnant, diagnosed with diabetes or gets into an accident and THEN buy insurance.  Thus the cost will go far up.

3. They provide subsidies to make insurance cheaper. In theory.  Since the insurance companies are barely regulated monopolies per state who now know they everyone has to buy insurance, they can raise rates (this is what happened with car insurance when it became mandatory).

The right-wingers are going crazy about it because it socializes health-care.  The left-wingers are currently happy because they don’t realize just how much they got screwed. If/when this program starts to get implemented, I think they’ll start to realize how badly they got screwed.

People on the Internet who are from overseas tend to have no real understanding of America’s healthcare system. They don’t realize that the poor already get medical coverage for free (Medicaid) and that the elderly already get medical coverage (Medicare). 

So in effect, all this bill really does is make it illegal to not have insurance. 

Maybe they should use the same system to eliminate poverty. Just make it illegal to be poor.

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Reply #126 from JoeUser Forums Top

But speaking of eating their young it will be interesting to see how the teabaggers will fare versus more normal Republicans and how well either side will emerge from what appears will become some very bitter primaries for you. Remember NY23?
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Calling people "Teabaggers" really makes you come across as pretty uncivil Mumble.  Is this the perception you want to express to others?

If I started referring to pro-universal healthcare people as parasites how do you think people would start thinking of me?

It's up to you on how you want to comport yourself but I can say that everytime I see someone use the term "teabagger" when they know the connotations of it, it makes me lose a little respect for the person using the term.

Reply #127 from Stardock Forums Top

Tell me. Why is your government so inneficient?
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Compared to what?

Our state governments are relatively as effective as their equivalents elsewhere.

I'm not aware of any federal system as large as the United States to compare it to. 

 

Galactic Civilizations III
Reply #128 from JoeUser Forums Top

It was designed that way.
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That explain so much <_<

Reply #129 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'm not aware of any federal system as large as the United States to compare it to.
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China

/burn

Reply #130 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Daiwa, reply 125

Tell me. Why is your government so inneficient?
It was designed that way.
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The founders feared a strong central government so tried to make sure it would not get strong.  We were never supposed to have a royal class, but Reid and pelosi sure are trying to create one.

Reply #131 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Cikomyr, reply 129

I'm not aware of any federal system as large as the United States to compare it to.
China

/burn
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I smell the singed flesh from here. ;)

Reply #132 from JoeUser Forums Top

I smell the singed flesh from here.
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I am SO banned from this forum any future game Beta :pout:

Reply #133 from JoeUser Forums Top

Tell me. Why is your government so inneficient?

It was designed that way.
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Exactly, because it was never designed to be the monstrous bureaucracy that it is now. No European government "manages" near the amount of people, yet I wouldn't call them the epitome of efficiency. The largest Democracy, India, is corrupt and unwieldy.

Reply #134 from JoeUser Forums Top

It's up to you on how you want to comport yourself but I can say that everytime I see someone use the term "teabagger" when they know the connotations of it, it makes me lose a little respect for the person using the term.
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Of that I have no doubt.

But when the equivalent is said in the other direction not a word gets spoke.

But then I'm sure you see no evidence of the double standard that exists in pretty much every thread on this site.

Well just because you won't see it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Reply #135 from JoeUser Forums Top

But when the equivalent is said in the other direction not a word gets spoke.
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I'd be interested to know what term 'said in the other direction' you consider to be the equivalent.

Reply #136 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Mumblefratz, reply 134

It's up to you on how you want to comport yourself but I can say that everytime I see someone use the term "teabagger" when they know the connotations of it, it makes me lose a little respect for the person using the term.Of that I have no doubt.
But when the equivalent is said in the other direction not a word gets spoke.
But then I'm sure you see no evidence of the double standard that exists in pretty much every thread on this site.
Well just because you won't see it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
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Still, by using derogatory terms to describe people who disagree with you, you close off rational discussion, add heat without adding light, and give ammunition to those opposite you who can point out that if you had a better argument to make you wouldn't resort to ad hominems. IMHO, people deserve respect and courtesy as human beings, regardless of how mistaken their opinions might be (or appear to be). I've read some of your postings in other threads here and you seem smart and well-informed to me. But you'll never cut through with arguments if you present them in a mixture with personal attacks, because the arguments will be ignored in favour of retaliating to the personal attacks with further personal attacks. Ultimately, politeness in discussion (or argument) is to your own benefit; regardless of whether your interlocutors choose to take advantage of it, you should.

Reply #137 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Frogboy, reply 126

Calling people "Teabaggers" really makes you come across as pretty uncivil Mumble.  Is this the perception you want to express to others?
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I basically agree with you Brad, but I couldn't help but notice the irony of you referring to environmentalists in your most recent post as "treehuggers". It's certainly not at the same level of incivility, but it is pretty dismissive, wouldn't you say?

Reply #138 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'd be interested to know what term 'said in the other direction' you consider to be the equivalent.
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None that I've noticed specifically in this thread but I'm talking about the site not the specific thread.

Nor am I really interested in mining the multitude of threads on this forum whose sole intent is the denigration of the left for a suitable example. Not because no such example exists because there are countless such examples but because of the double standard there is no way I could possibly win any such argument because the judge, jury and gallery in this case are the very folks exhibiting the double standard in the first place.

I've seen it so many times. A comment from the left is obnoxious whereas the similar comment from the right is merely funny or if it really does go too far then it was just kidding and it's my own fault for being so thin skinned.

Given that you're convinced that you're the epitome of tolerance you simply can't see what's so obvious to the other side and that is that every single criticism that you apply to the left is something that you pretty much all exhibit on a regular basis.

You sit there pontificating about the other side where every word out of your mouth applies directly to yourself. It's the old syndrome that whenever you point a finger at someone else you have three fingers pointing back at you. And the funniest part is you can't even see it.

Reply #139 from JoeUser Forums Top

I guess if you say so.

Reply #140 from JoeUser Forums Top

I basically agree with you Brad, but I couldn't help but notice the irony of you referring to environmentalists in your most recent post as "treehuggers". It's certainly not at the same level of incivility, but it is pretty dismissive, wouldn't you say?

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The environmentalist Web site he was referring to and is participating on is called "Treehugger.com". The "Treehuggers" he referred to were the members of that site. (I assume that's why he used an upper-case "T".)

 

Reply #141 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Leauki, reply 140




I basically agree with you Brad, but I couldn't help but notice the irony of you referring to environmentalists in your most recent post as "treehuggers". It's certainly not at the same level of incivility, but it is pretty dismissive, wouldn't you say?





The environmentalist Web site he was referring to and is participating on is called "Treehugger.com". The "Treehuggers" he referred to were the members of that site. (I assume that's why he used an upper-case "T".)

 
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Yeah many environmentalists call themselves "treehuggers", so I would believe that mitigates anything derogatory. Also, the name in and of itself does not mean what some may consider a "vulgar" act.

Reply #142 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Daiwa, reply 135

But when the equivalent is said in the other direction not a word gets spoke.
I'd be interested to know what term 'said in the other direction' you consider to be the equivalent.
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Ditto.

Quoting Mumblefratz, reply 138
None that I've noticed specifically in this thread but I'm talking about the site not the specific thread.
Nor am I really interested in mining the multitude of threads on this forum whose sole intent is the denigration of the left for a suitable example. Not because no such example exists because there are countless such examples but because of the double standard there is no way I could possibly win any such argument because the judge, jury and gallery in this case are the very folks exhibiting the double standard in the first place.
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OIC!  So you just made an assinine statement, without any hint of evidence, or proof, and then expect everyone to take you at your word.  because you would never lie, right?  regardless of the dozen lies you have told around the forums already, right?

So for the left, it is not the evidence that is important, just the charges.  Way to go MF!  Your level of incompetance is rapidly approaching your level of irrelevance.  This is not the MSM, so while I am sure you think you can get away with stupid statements not supported by facts, the reality is you just got busted.

Reply #143 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Leauki, reply 140



I basically agree with you Brad, but I couldn't help but notice the irony of you referring to environmentalists in your most recent post as "treehuggers". It's certainly not at the same level of incivility, but it is pretty dismissive, wouldn't you say?

The environmentalist Web site he was referring to and is participating on is called "Treehugger.com". The "Treehuggers" he referred to were the members of that site. (I assume that's why he used an upper-case "T".)
 

End of Leauki's quote

 

Ah, good point. I withdraw my comment.

Reply #144 from JoeUser Forums Top

Ah, good point. I withdraw my comment
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You do realize that you have to lie down before you can be a doormat?

 

Reply #145 from JoeUser Forums Top

regardless of the dozen lies you have told around the forums already, right?
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Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Reply #146 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Mumblefratz, reply 145

regardless of the dozen lies you have told around the forums already, right?Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
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Ah, the loaded question now!  So what other slanders and lies are you going to tell?  Backed up by only your worthless word no doubt.

But I have to ask, did a brain come with the deal you made to sell your ethics?

BTW:  You still have produced no evidence of your false and libelous allegations.  We are waiting for you to weasel some more.

Reply #147 from JoeUser Forums Top

The superior are not required to justify themselves to the inferior, Dr. Guy.  Just ask the superior.

Reply #148 from JoeUser Forums Top

Ah, the loaded question now!
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Because that's the only question you ask me.

Look at your reply #142 and every word you said could easily apply to yourself.

The only difference between us is that my feelings of self worth are not all tied into a forum presence of the "great and all-powerful Oz" whereas that's *all* you are is a puffed up buffoon of a caricature of a person.

But I tire of you and since I know how insistent you are about having the last word feel free to rant on unopposed for as long as you wish. It is the only argument you can win (i.e. the unopposed argument), and we all know how important winning on the internet is to you.

Reply #149 from JoeUser Forums Top

See what I mean?

Reply #150 from JoeUser Forums Top

I basically agree with you Brad, but I couldn't help but notice the irony of you referring to environmentalists in your most recent post as "treehuggers".
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As others pointed out, the site in question is called TreeHugger.com.  We (the community on that site) refer to ourselves as Treehuggers.

Getting back to Mumble, if you can refer me to posts on our forums where users are referring to other people as scrotum suckers (tea baggers) feel free to let me know.