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Age of Wonders Makes It Way to Impulse!

Age of Wonders Makes It Way to Impulse!

When you speak of classic PC gaming, Age of Wonders will no doubt come into the conversation.  You can now get all this gaming goodness on Impulse DRM-free!

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Reply #26 Top

It's still a form of access control, as defined by DRM. We cannot access the game without using your proprietary software first. Obviously, there will probably never be any actual updates of AoW, but still, it's a "technical" restriction as part of the agreement.
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Sorry, I just don't understand this mentality.  It's like saying "what do you mean, I have to have a computer that runs this stupid game?"  You need a computer, you need an OS, you are telling me that a delivery system is too much "control" now?  The issue of advertising is silly also.  They advertise so customer buy from them so you can have the game in your little paws in the first place.  They are a for profit business.  They provide a service or product to make money and in turn they can pay for things like the very forum you are reading. It's kind of a give and take thing.

Oh well, this whole issue makes me parched...I need some water.   Wait- I need a glass to drink the water...screw it...I'm not drinking!

Reply #27 Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 16



Quoting Island Dog,
reply 15
Impulse is simply a downloader for it, you don't need to keep it running or have it installed to play.

 


True, but its safe to say that's not going to matter that much to this fellow.
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Impulse maybe DRM friendly, but GoG it is not. It makes no sense to even claim that it is. GoG gives you an exe and you're good to go for as long as the OS can handle that file.

Reply #28 Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 24

Okay, then answer my question: Why do we need the application, period? GoG allows me to download all my stuff in one place too, without proprietary software.

GoG requires an internet browser. The internet browser is free, but must be installed to receive delivery of games and updates.  It too is a form of DRM (based on how you are defining the term).  If you don't have an internet browser, you can't get at the games.  GoG doesn't have any ads on their website, I imagine. Its probably just a somewhat blank web page where you can't see anything but a link to a download.  Surely they don't advertise other games on their website.  These are pretty silly, annoying arguments, no?  Its apparently ok to use this form of "DRM" as long as the "DRM" works with an app you already have installed.  If you are required to install another application, well, that's about the most horrible thing I've ever heard, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion. 
 
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Okay, that's all fine and dandy then.  "Stardock: Let us use our web browser instead of Impulse to download games."  *crickets*

Reply #29 Top

Quoting GCFL, reply 26

It's still a form of access control, as defined by DRM. We cannot access the game without using your proprietary software first. Obviously, there will probably never be any actual updates of AoW, but still, it's a "technical" restriction as part of the agreement.

Sorry, I just don't understand this mentality.  It's like saying "what do you mean, I have to have a computer that runs this stupid game?"  You need a computer, you need an OS, you are telling me that a delivery system is too much "control" now?  The issue of advertising is silly also.  They advertise so customer buy from them so you can have the game in your little paws in the first place.  They are a for profit business.  They provide a service or product to make money and in turn they can pay for things like the very forum you are reading. It's kind of a give and take thing.

Oh well, this whole issue makes me parched...I need some water.   Wait- I need a glass to drink the water...screw it...I'm not drinking!
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A "computer" game will not run without a "computer".
A computer game (at least since pong) will not run with some sort of operating system architecture.
A computer game will run without Impulse. 

See the difference?  See why someone would, I don't know, be a little bothered by that?

I've seen a lot of people rationalize how Impulse is not DRM, but I have yet to see someone tell me why I actually need it to run.  You can't have it both ways: you can't tell me Impulse does not restrict my game-play in any way, but then argue that it is necessary.

If you're using Impulse because of customer loyalty or you just want to contribute something to Stardock, I have no problem with that.  That's your choice.  But don't tell me it's DRM free, because it isn't.  They are Managing the Rights of Digital software using their own client.  Whether that happens constantly or one time doesn't change that fact.  I'm a 1s and 0s kind of person, I see things in shades of true or false.

Reply #30 Top

Quoting Gravedancer, reply 23

Quoting Daynarr, reply 10Also Shadow Magic is not a sequel but rather expansion of AoW 2. It has a tons of content though so it could almost pass as sequel.
1) It didn't require ownership of AoW 2

2) Was sold as a stand-alone game

3) No reference was made to it being billed as an "expansion"


:: Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic ::
http://www.triumphstudios.com/shadowmagic/features.php

Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic takes the acclaimed fantasy strategy series to new heights. This new stand-alone game enhances the series' praised fusion of empire building, role-playing and tactical combat with the following features

 
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You are right. My bad here. I remember Triumph Studios announcing that they were making an expansion for AoW2 but apparently they changed it to a full blown sequel for the release. BTW. points 1 and 2 can apply to an expansion as well. There were a number of expansions that were stand alone as well. However, this is apparently not the case here.

Reply #31 Top

Quoting GaelicVigil, reply 29
If you're using Impulse because of customer loyalty or you just want to contribute something to Stardock, I have no problem with that.  That's your choice.  But don't tell me it's DRM free, because it isn't.  They are Managing the Rights of Digital software using their own client.  Whether that happens constantly or one time doesn't change that fact.  I'm a 1s and 0s kind of person, I see things in shades of true or false.
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It is their way of making sure that the people downloading the game are those that has paid (or they are at least logged into the account of someone who has). Why should they support downloading through a web browser when they already have the means of doing the same thing that is being used for programs that can gain from having a special downloader (programs the get updates)?

As a note, Impulse is far less of a hardship that the original copy protection the game had which checked for the disc and took forever to do so, and did not play well with even the most minimal of virtualization (running in compatiblity mode prevented it from running).

Reply #32 Top

All I want to know is do all 3 AOWs run without problems on windows 7 home 32bit.

Reply #33 Top

Quoting zeldalink, reply 32
All I want to know is do all 3 AOWs run without problems on windows 7 home 32bit.
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The non-Impulse versions are said to run well on Windows 7 64 bit, and the re-released versions seem to have been overhauled to improve compatibility with new versions of Windows (they have a directory for .Net binaries that did not exist before).

Reply #34 Top

Quoting GaelicVigil, reply 29
A "computer" game will not run without a "computer".
A computer game (at least since pong) will not run with some sort of operating system architecture.
A computer game will run without Impulse.
End of GaelicVigil's quote

A computer game will run without an internet browser.
You can not buy (and therefore not run) a game from GOG without an internet browser.

GOG isn't an option, either, I'm afraid.

Reply #35 Top

Quoting zeldalink, reply 32
All I want to know is do all 3 AOWs run without problems on windows 7 home 32bit.
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I would say yes.  I have windows 7 64 bit, just installed the impulse versions of all games, and launched each game.  All appear to be working quite nicely.  So, I'd say pretty much 99.9% chance you won't have any issue on win 7 32. 

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Reply #36 Top

GaelicVigil, I think your arguments about Impulse are pointless.  The last point made about needing a browser to download anything, is cogent.  Taking this illogic even further, by your thinking, running your machine on Windows is a form of DRM upon any software because you cant play your games without it.  Needing computer chips to run your computer is DRM, etc, etc.  Maybe you are ideologically opposed, but ideology in the absence of logic is pure foolishness.

Reply #37 Top

I would also like to know what resolutions each game supports before buying. I am running 1920x1080 native right now... I have missed these games so much, lost all three when I moved the family from the city to the countryside.

 

Reply #38 Top

Quoting cslHaplo, reply 37
I would also like to know what resolutions each game supports before buying. I am running 1920x1080 native right now... I have missed these games so much, lost all three when I moved the family from the city to the countryside. 
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Not that big, Shadow Magic (the newest) gets to 1600xSomething. At least not when in Fullscreen mode. To my knowledge it can reach any size when windowed (I always use windowed mode), and it is not hard to navigate with the minimap. Windowed mode also fixes some graphical errors without disabling Direct3D and losing some effects. That said, some parts of the UI (unit images for the selected party, which are bitmaps) do not stretch well, though most of it looks fine.

Reply #39 Top

 

Anyone had trouble paying with PayPal?  I've tried three times now, and it fails to process, telling me that my order was neither submitted, nor was I charged for it.  I am, of course, glad to hear that it caught whatever the error was, and that I was not accidentally charged.. but I still really want the games. :drool:

 

 

Reply #40 Top

I am running 1920x1080 native right now...
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I believe every one of those games gave me the option to choose 1920x1080.  So i did.  You should be all set.  H

Reply #41 Top

Quoting Hulahn, reply 39
 

Anyone had trouble paying with PayPal?  I've tried three times now, and it fails to process, telling me that my order was neither submitted, nor was I charged for it.  I am, of course, glad to hear that it caught whatever the error was, and that I was not accidentally charged.. but I still really want the games.

 

 
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Didn't use Paypal on this one, just payed with Amex and it went through with no problems. I usually use Paypal to pay though and didn't run into problems back then. Maybe they had some server problems or something. Just make sure you don't order it many times and pay for it - many times.

Reply #42 Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 40
I believe every one of those games gave me the option to choose 1920x1080.  So i did.  You should be all set.  H
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Really? Mine does not, but maybe that is because my system does not support that resolution. I guess it is checking with Windows about what is availible so it should be able to do any setting.

Reply #43 Top

Yup - you only get resolutions your system supports.



Reply #44 Top

Went ahead and picked this up since I loved AoW back in the day, but somehow never got into Shadow Magic.

 

Are people using mods with the Impulse version of this? I've been looking through AoW Heaven, and it looks like there are lots of good mods...but I may have to *gasp* mess around with DOS prompts and other such things that I haven't touched since the 20th century.

 

 

Reply #45 Top

Quoting Goontrooper, reply 44
Went ahead and picked this up since I loved AoW back in the day, but somehow never got into Shadow Magic.

 

Are people using mods with the Impulse version of this? I've been looking through AoW Heaven, and it looks like there are lots of good mods...but I may have to *gasp* mess around with DOS prompts and other such things that I haven't touched since the 20th century.
 
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Some mods (e.g. Warlock Rules) modify the execuables, and therefore may not work with the re-released versions. I hear that they at least cause the game to want you to insert the CD.

Reply #46 Top

The Trilogy is excellent so far. I picked it up off of Impulse and I must say that I'm very impressed.

It's been a long time since I've played these classic games.

 

If you can't use the mods on AoW Heaven though that would be a major disappointment. :(