I was ready to grill ya for being a jerk, but that first pic is legit messed up. 

more and more form what stardock promised and announced transfered form the normal game in the expansion and the normal game has still a lot of bugs and isn´t finsihed .... i paid about 40€ about 45$ for the game and i get less and less of your announcement... and the expansion get more and more expensive from 10 to 15 and  than to now 20 dollar...  dislike...

frogboy wrote: "The base price for the expandalone will be $39.99. For a limited time, the upgrade price for existing players will be $14.99" not 9$ any more this at the 08.08.2016. 

At the Roadmap update today: Stardock increased the price for the expansion again to 20$:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/228880/discussions/1/490123938434377747/

as i told in an other thread... finish the development of the game and than start an expansion; it dont work that stardock develop the expansion before finshing the normal game 

I ask stardocks again: Why I should buy a expansion for 20 to 40 dollar if you didnt even finish the normal game, fix the bugs and solve the map and fraction balance? 

After all i payed about 45 $.

While I understand your point of view, I am going to be all over this expansion. More single-player is always a plus in my book.

Here's another thought.

It seems like there is this repeating pattern, where they release the game, and then not enough people buy it, so it goes on sale within a relatively short period thereafter.

Then everyone who bought at retail price complains, because they feel like they have been somehow shortchanged ("early adoption tax").

This is obviously not intended by Stardock, and probably isn't the way things should turn out.

So what if pre-purchasers got some DLC for this "block" for free.

Then if it goes on sale, the folks who purchase at the sale price won't get the same value.

The folks who purchase during sale would have to but the DLC for the "block" separately.

SO no complaints from the folks who paid full price.

Sort of like a mini founders program for the loyalists.

about 23,91€ = 27 dollar in Europ

prices can will change in due time, as for the bugs they are not affecting the game to much, unless you exploite the heck out of them, (their main focus as been mostly on the expansion,)

also at the moment there is a bug in the game affecting the entire gameplay (the amplifier for the phc gives an income of 6 from 2 with one amp, also up to 8 with orbital amp, it is those type of bugs that shoulde have a high priority. (not sure if this effects the subs)

as for the price its content and its expensive to produce content. (think about world of warcraft in comparison that rips of the money in one swoop if you are willing to pay for it)

 also for frogboy/brad its best you dont give us promises they just make the crowd unreasonable if promises are made.

Humans are pretty dumb if they dont start thinking some thoughts. (in my experience)

But the list of content on the steam page seems promising and personally i think its worth the price in the end.

I am curious what the benefit of the main game is now? What is unique about it that will make it worth it to buy both the base game and the expansion?

No.  We want to use the Escalation series to evolve into a bigger game and keep the Ashes game as the introductory game.  Both will continue to be updated simultaneously.

As a person who's played a few stardock games and enjoyed them, upon hearing that this new game they've developed called Ashes of the singularity has finally had the bugs ironed out and the game improved on I was keen to buy it. Especially so when I signed into steam today and discovered a 75% off until August 30th. However imagine my surprise when I discovered that a stand alone expansion of Ashes of the singularity was due to come out in month or less, which by the way is being pitched better then the previous game in every way. 

I must admit I'm a little confused. Why should any prospecting buyers to the series buy the soon to be obsolete Ashes of the singularity and not buy the expansion? If this expansion : Escalation - comes out and proves indeed to be better then the previous game everyone will quite literally jump ship. So which do I buy? Do I hope for a less buggy release come the new game? Or buy the already good base game? 

Ah yes I confirmed what you just said. It seems I should read the fine print more often. Thank you for the quick reply mate

Paid over $60au for the original game, almost $10au for each dlc, can't see where to get founders upgrade for this new game, so another $30-40au?  When it's now $13us in steam? When I click upgrade on the stardock site it takes me to steam, where it's the same price as there sale price =/

If I buy Escalation can I gift the base game to a friend that doesn't have it? Seeing as a founder I'm paying teh same price as everyone else that might be the only way I would consider not just waiting for it to come on sale.