fantstc1

Join Date 01/2015

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Resource Consumption Per Tick

A loooonnng time ago, I started this thread:

https://forums.ashesofthesingularity.com/478258/page/1/#3641377

And at some point it all made sense to me.

But a friend just asked me to clarify something on this topic, and I went back to remind myself.

And suddenly... I realized I still have a fuzzy spot in my understanding of going negative.

The question, fundamentally, is whether going negative can result in sub-optimal production time.

Below are two scenarios to express what I mean.

NORMALLY:

Unit that costs 60 metal and 60 rad, takes 1 minute to produce... (1 metal and 1 rad per second)

And my production capacity is 1 metal and 1 rad per second...

Then if I produce 1 unit, it is done in 1 minute as planned.

And if I produce 2 units simultaneously, I end up with 2 units in two minutes.

In a certain sense, this means that my production is still occurring at the optimal speed.

I get the same resulting number of units within the same time period, based on my current production capacity.

I have to wait longer to see anything happen, but my resources are still being generated and consumed at the same optimal speed.

NEGATIVE CASE:

So.. now lets look at the negative resource situation.

This time, lets consider a unit that would consume 5 metal + 10 rad per second; and it would normally take 1 minute to produce the unit.

Let's say that I only have capacity for 4 metal + 10 rad production per second. (shortage of 1 metal per second)

What happens?????

I presume production speed of resources remains unchanged.

But what about consumption?

Does resource consumption become sub optimal?

How does this scenario actually work?

- Would metal be provisioned fractionally, such that each tick rad is being fractionally consumed in proportion to the provisioned metal?

- Does metal not get provisioned each click, so that a single "tick" of production might actually take longer to occur?

- Is provisioned metal sent to storage until a full tick is possible?

Chasing my tail a bit here. Could someone please clarify?

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If you have enough metal to build something but not enough rads, you will only build it as fast as you have the rads to support it. The hyper specific mathematics of that I don't know and I don't really see why it matters.

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fantstc1

Join Date 01/2015

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I'm thinking this might all matter in having a better understanding of what will produce, how quickly, in what order -- and whether there is actually such a thing as sub-optimal production speed.

OK, so a few more questions to clarify:

1) I'm hearing you say that each "tick" of production might require a certain amount of metal, and a certain amount of rad; and if you are lacking either one (let's say rad), then... what??? There would be no tick? Or there would be a fractional tick, such that metal would be consumed proportional to the rad???

2) What happens to the available metal that can't be provisioned to construction, due to rad shortage? Is it assigned to another production building, or does it go into storage, or something?

3) Would it be correct to assume that when you don't have enough resources, the amount that you do have is distributed equally?

4) Is there a priority order to the way that resources are provisioned to production buildings? Ex. Do armories get resources before factories?

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Quoting fantstc1,

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I'm thinking this might all matter in having a better understanding of what will produce, how quickly, in what order -- and whether there is actually such a thing as sub-optimal production speed.

OK, so a few more questions to clarify:

1) I'm hearing you say that each "tick" of production might require a certain amount of metal, and a certain amount of rad; and if you are lacking either one (let's say rad), then... what??? There would be no tick? Or there would be a fractional tick, such that metal would be consumed proportional to the rad???

2) What happens to the available metal that can't be provisioned to construction, due to rad shortage? Is it assigned to another production building, or does it go into storage, or something?

3) Would it be correct to assume that when you don't have enough resources, the amount that you do have is distributed equally?

4) Is there a priority order to the way that resources are provisioned to production buildings? Ex. Do armories get resources before factories?

1) Fractional. You'll only work to 80% the speed if you only are producing 80% of the required resource.

2) It goes in to storage, unless utilized by a different unit/building. If you would ordinarily produce five metal and eight rads, and are building a unit that demands five metal and ten rads, you'll end up with a one metal income.

3) I'm not sure what you mean, but if you're asking if all demands split the load, then yes.

4) As far as I'm aware, every single source takes its exact demand perfectly even. If you have five times the amount of demand of a resource, spread through five different queues, they'll each slow to 20% the default speed. If you have ten times the amount of demand spread through three different queues, they'll each slow to 10% the default speed.

In general, it's not the worst thing to run a negative income (After all, any resources gained when you're at max capacity are completely wasted), with a few exceptions:

1) Splitting your economy down to extremely slow fractions makes for a very uneven production. While your overall production of units/hour won't change much if at all, you might find yourself producing no units for several minutes at a time, which is dangerous.

2) As a Substrate player you can bank resources indefinitely, so there's not quite as much benefit to spending resources now that could be better used later.

3) In general, foresight can let you plan to use your resources a bit more evenly. Instead of banking up five rad-heavy builds at once, it can be far more effective to do two rad-heavy builds, two-metal heavy ones and a balanced one. Doing so will minimize the amount of slowdown, and minimize the amount of wasted materials.

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