SCO/IBM/Unix...

Hmmmm..IP rights and Unix and IBM and SCO and lets hear what the ppl here have to add on this. http://www.cio.com/online/techtact_031803.html

Read this link and Lets here what the Linux unix crowd has to say...I havent heard much on the subject but was aware of it since I use IBM AS400 and Linux servers at my work...I never have the chance to discuss this stuff, but since this site is always concerned and full of good info on IP rights..Im curiuos what The great Jafo has to say..(honestly).
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It's a fallacy. It's just a way for SCO to make money because they're on the verge of bankruptcy. Basically the same thing as the RIAA sueing people, SCO sues anyone who used Unix...ever. What a joke. I hope IBM put's them in their place.
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It's a conspiracy. Of course Microsoft is in it and its goal is to destroy Linux.

http://www.linuxworld.com/story/32687.htm

Now, why didn't I come up with that?
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You can read the same jabber from the opposite perspective about the Microsoft API and how hard they fought to keep certain parts of it from people...

SCO should be paid for what is theirs hands down, if IBM bought rights to it and there was nothing in the contracts about how they used it. SCO will not have a foot to stand upon, simple as that so it seems to me.

I should start reading CIO when it comes in the mail instead of throwing it onto the pile

to many damn things happening though and all I seem to be picking up or reading online is art and digital graphics articles and tutorials...






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I heard the code they did show wasn't covered by the GPL (or something)

I was wondering about when exactly are they 'really' going to show this code but I am sure it is in there interests not too.
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By all reputable accounts, SCO has no real case (although there may be some valid issues in their contract dispute with IBM (however unlikely, since IBM can show documentation that they own all derivative works)).

First, if there were actually stolen SCO code in the Linux kernel, SCO has legal issues that they have failed to conform to. First, they can only seek relief from the party that placed that code in the kernel, and not against the users. Second, the courts usually hold that the copyright holder must make good faith efforts to mitigate the infringment from the date of discovery, i.e., once the infringement is discovered, they should notify the party of the details of the infringement in order to give them the opportunity to remove the infringement. It is not a legal requirement to do so, but it does weigh against the concept of damages, for if the infringers aren't given the opportunity to mitigate, then it is generally held that there is little or no justification for damages (the rationale being that any infringement after the discovery where no notification occurs is not damage if the owner is aware of the infringement, but does not mitigate, and if there is no damage after notification, it diminishes the idea of damages befor it).

Second, such evidence that has been presented by SCO has been duly ripped apart by just about everyone. In all cases, the purported code existed in other venues legally available to Linux (and others) apart from SCO. There does seem to be an issue of some BSD licensed code having the advertisement clause removed, but even that evidence points to parties other than direct contributors to the Linux kernel.

Third, the history of the source tree owned by SCO includes the burden of the res judatica applied to the codebase in the 92-93 court battle between AT&T and the University of California (et.al.). Basically, the result of that battle was that all but three files of source code were declared to be freely redistributable. The three files were removed from the BSD code, however, the body of the other files were still present in the Novell/USL/AT&T codebase. This means that any code in the unix code owned by SCO that can be traced back to this settlement is legitimately free for use, and cannot be constrained by SCO.

OSI has a position paper here, http://www.opensource.org/sco-vs-ibm.html#id2791689, that provides a good deal of the history of unix, and the lack of any validity to the current claims by SCO.


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I sort of felt the same, nevertheless how is it that SCO feels it would win such a case? Or for that matter threaten users of Linux before the issue has been settled?

It also just seems like a bad business move. Linux becoming more usable might hurt in the long run (but not allot if managed right) but in the short run it allows them to have more business due to more base Linux users. Unix could become a smaller Microsoft in a sense because it can provide a central place for responsibility for the OS to work. Free based Linux can not provide that.



So what the dealio with dat???
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N ow this is good stuff...You guys really understand the issues here...I do not modify Linux kernals or write the code specifically for an application..I do however have to create a "basic" program to make the applications I use with AS400 and 5250IBM, It allows me to use Linux to link a gateway server to a netwerk for data collection..Usally an Inventory program or a Manufacture accountability database...Since I do not sell or distribute Im not concerned by IP rights..I mearly Come up with connectivity solutions for wireless inventory managment equipment, So that proper development has somewhere to begin...But I thought this might need a little view from the citizens here at WC...