I admit I'm curious, as well, but would never go out and spend money on something so hated. I am probably the weirdest person here, as I've never played any of the MOO titles.

never played one either, was slightly tempted to get 3 when they were literally paying people to take it off their hands but other than that never was.

~SDC~

I bought GalCiv and MOO3 at the same time as well (MOO3 was discounted to $20 because that's the price that I usually don't consider games to be significant economic losses). To date, I've probably played about 3 hours of MOO3 and that was just trying to figure out what the hell was going on. I haven't even reinstalled it since I formatted the computer last..lol. "I'm adjusting these bars, I dunno if this is helping..." and such were what one might overhear me saying while playing that game. GalCiv is just much simpler to understand, and sometimes simplicity can be a very good thing (though the difference between tax rate and spend rate eluded me at first). Knowing the consequences of altering economic settings (for example) is vital, and MOO3 didn't really give me a good feel for what the hell was happening.

At first I thought GalCiv should've used a 3D map like MOO3, but do you really need that? It only made things harder to keep track of for me. I would just find a decent orientation and leave it there, so it may as well have been 2D.

I don't want to rehash many of the complaints people have made about MOO3, but those are a couple of my own personal gripes. I can see where the devs had a good idea for a game, but it just went straight to hell somewhere. Sure GalCiv has a couple bugs..no software is perfect. At least the devs here are trying to get as many of them fixed as possible.

To all those morbidly and otherwise curious...do not waste your time/money!! Even though I paid $5 and got the strategy guide thrown in with it, it was a very bad investment. It sits unplayed and will remain as such, especially after I got GalCiv. There are many, many gripes about it which you can find on the atari forums and all well founded BTW.

good to hear from you again Imaginos

~SDC~

Neither have I Theoden, so maybe you're not the weirdest! :notsure:

I played MOO2 a lot.
It was a GREAT game...for it's time.

I usually played as the Elerians. All females of course.
They could do the equivalent of culture flipping.
Loved the advisor screens that came up.

MOO2 was a great game. but MOO3 was absoute carp
~SDC~
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I've not even heard of the MOO games, much less play them. Are they really that bad?

MOO2 was really really fun. It was kind of the opposite of Galciv in many ways. Everything was super-customizable. You had racial abilities and governments that made for really dramatic differences in gameplay, as opposed to Galciv's incremental improvements. A new weapons tech could absolutely revolutionize warfare. Ship design was absolutely essential. However, the game required a fair amount of micromanagement and the AI was idiotic and relied on its huge bonuses to win.

You can get it for ten bucks at amazon.com and I would recommend it to anyone at that price.

You are not THAT weird here it seems, or many of us are

I didn't know of them until I saw people "describing" it here LOL . I was more of a Shogun et Medieval Total War player. A good game too, and you can defend against spies
~SDC~
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You can have spies in defense in MOO3, just leave them assigned as internal security.

It is just a tedious exercise in gaming. Will the Viceroy build what I say are priorities or will he not? Just silly and annoying.

Don't be.


Can we get this thread back on track? We should be talking about the GalCiv patch in here.

That's the danger of telling players you'll have something ready, then your target date slips. Releases, patches, you name it, that's a bad thing. Better off to say less and undershoot the expectations than to say something that can't be delivered.

Patch 1.12 actually does have a lot of good points, and some changes that deserve attention, but NONE of that is getting any airtime because people won't shut up about the UP thing. And I must admit, I have been playing other games for the last two weeks, in large part because a minipatch to fix this was due "any day now", so why invest more time without the UP as part of the game, when a fix is right around the corner? Only that didn't turn out to be the case, and now I've gone weeks with very little GalCiv. I miss it. Yet we are still stuck on "any day now" for the patch, so day by day, I avoid playing, with no idea when a patch is really going to come.

We were supposed to get 1.2 before Xmas. At this point, the entire concept of a minipatch before that looks dead, de facto. The question in my mind now is:

Is the 1.2 patch still on track? Or are we only going to get the minipatch, late, with the whole "patching calendar" pushed back?


- Sirian

Theoden if you want M003 I can send you mine, that way you don't spend your money, just e-mail me at [email protected] with your address and I will send it to you. I don't know how much is shipping but we can work that out later.

People expect responses from us on the forums and in the chat room.  We try to be straightforward with our customers.  The patch would have been up weeks ago if not for a series of incidents that have managed to disrupt things over here.  Nothing devastating, but it's rather busy over here at the moment.  At least it's not as bad as last December when the entire Gal Civ development team, including Brad, got sick right before our original deadline for going Gold. (Knock on wood.) 

Thankyou

With feedback like that im quite happy to wait as long as it takes ...

Maybe ill even have another member for my empire by then ...

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And we try to be patient and reasonable. Well, most of us, I think.

I hope your current disruptions work themselves out favorably. I will welcome more news about the patch status as it comes available.


- Sirian

Cari, are some of the disruptions related to the strange server activity lately? Every so often, I can't access the site for a few minutes. And there's been some really weird things going on with people's scores, like Smeagol O's sudden drop to 700 points and I think Lord Megatron is having trouble, too.

Just wondering if this is related to the new Metaverse that Brad had been talking about being loaded to the server?

Theoden,
I believe Brad said that they've had 3 of their servers die in the past month or so. They are therefore running everying off only one or two servers and everything is slow. I believe they have also had great fun with back-up and restoration. It probably also affects their ability to work and download patches. I'm sure it'll be settled in a week or two.

Paul.

~SDC~

I had forgotten that they had servers dying. I know Stardock is doing everything humanly possible to help us on all fronts, especially behind the scenes (thanks to Patrick Ford for all his help, BTW! ).

New patch is out. You might have to have Stardock Central search for the update, but 1.13 is out!