Banking should make Marketplace obsolete

I don't agree. A market place is like a fleamarket. A bank holds control over retail, deveolement etc.. Also the benefits are stackable. A marketplace is what 8 % and a bank is 10 % so it adds up to 18% in long run. In GC1 you needed all the help you can get specially on crippling and maso with your economy.

I think what PC means is that once you can build the banking improvement there is no point in building a market. So the market might as well be removed from your options list to tidy things up and an upgrade option provided like you get for research labs.

If it's stackable, there's a darn good reason to keep it there

If it's stackable, there's a darn good reason to keep it there

Would you rather stack a market and a bank (18%) or two banks (20%)?

The point is that there is no advantage to having a market instead of having a bank. The bank is a more advanced improvement so should be replacing the Market.

The point is that there is no advantage to having a market instead of having a bank.

The Beta is not yet over and this sounds more like a tuning and balancing issue than one of gameplay. Let's wait for Beta 4 on this issue.

They could be made complementary, such that the bank has a large effect on the economy and a small effect on trade, while the marketplace has a larger effect on trade and a smaller effect on the economy. Not that I have any idea what Frogboy is intending

I'm pretty sure you're supposed to replace markets with banks like you replace basic factories with more advanced versions, it's just not working atm.

Banks and marketplaces are compellty differnent cept the fact that their business one provides a way to depiost money and granting Loans Helping economy by Hopefully increasing pplz incomes. while A marketplace is where you get Goods and services Helping trade! THERE DIFFERENT!!!!

I don't know why you guys are arguing about this. The point I was trying to make was very simple:

1) A Bank has superior stats to Marketplace in ALL respects
2) You can build as many Banks OR Marketplaces as you wish, limited only by buildable tiles
3) Since Banks stats are superior to Marketplaces IN ALL RESPECTS, it would be unwise to waste tiles on Marketplaces

If you have some personal preference for the Marketplace graphic over the Bank graphic, that's cool. Or, maybe you like the word Marketplace more than the word Bank, because it has more letters. That's nice. Letters and graphics are nice.

- Proud Canadian

I don't know why you guys are arguing about this.

Because your argument, which I accept as you state it, assumes that the bank will have superior stats compared with the marketplace through all future betas and into the final game. This is not necessarily so. If it remains so in the final game, I agree with you. If it does not, then it would be a mistake to obsolete marketplaces when banks become available.

I'm with ProudCanadian on this.

Of course, the real question is: Did StarDock intend for Banks to be the upgrade for Marketplaces? Looking at the stats, it would seem so. If they did, then it's just a bug that you cannot upgrade like you should. Otherwise, Marketplaces and Banks should do different things (for example, Marketplace doing Trade 5% and Banks doing Economy 10% )

Whatever it is, it needs to be addressed.

i agree but marketplaces do increase the pplz income like a bank only a bank is better at it but a marketplace is very good for faciltating trade. a bank is not so good at this so im gonna keep arguing until a compromise is met i feel very strong about this...

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I still can't believe we're arguing over this.

Hum. Beta of a Game. Lots of rabid f@nb0yz and f@ngrrls. Why should there be any surprises there? Of course, I'm surprised we aren't arguing over the order of empire function buttons, default naming, what kind of listing/editors should be added in B4 to allow us to specify planet/star names, etc etc etc.

And this is the beta for feedback on major game elements, balance, and particularly, *fun*. It's no fun to have to manually go through demolishing your *Markets* and replacing them with *Banks*. Which is what this thread is about. The rest is just ideas and suggestiosn on why Markets and Banks should either be the same thing (Market -> Bank (better Market)) or make them different with suggestiosn on how. That's what we are supposed to do, isn't it?

Of course, the real question is: Did StarDock intend for Banks to be the upgrade for Marketplaces? Looking at the stats, it would seem so. If they did, then it's just a bug that you cannot upgrade like you should.

Thank you Starpilot. That's what I was getting at.

Or instead of getting rid of the market place (which has an upgrade) perhaps it should give a bonus to trading (if it doesn't allready?) when a planet is part of a trade route..

I know that a bank is part of trading as well it just seems more fitting to have a market / trade center to boost trading and have a bank boost taxes.

Marketplace grants a +8% economy.
Bank grants +10% economy.

Atleast, according to what the readout in my game states. No bonuses to trade are given by either Market or Bank. I expect that's what a Trade Center is meant to do.

ironicly a Marketplace is a trade center... There the same sort of place just different name... so...possibly just knock out marketplaces if TCs do that then marketplaces are obselete banks do a better job helping the economy than MPs.

Actually, right now it's Banking and Trade Center that are the same thing, both give a 20% econ bonus with no maintenance cost. The only difference is the description, the required tech, and the TC taking 4 times longer to build.

Now, in CG1, Trade Centers (the planetary ones, not the starbase ones) were one of the best reasons to go almost pure good. They had bonuses to several statistics, not just economy, so it may be that they just aren't done yet, which makes sense given the tech/cost differences.