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Today knighthood, tomorrow, what? I think i responded to that in advance: if we dont have the capacity to weigh each of our actions and the response to it, then we are really doomed. there is a proper action for each case
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But that does not mean we should take away peoples rights to speak their minds and that does not mean that we alienate our own people simply because their views differ from some Muslims just to make them our friends Of course it does not if it is related to anything that is even slightly important or if
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i will not become Muslim to get the Muslims on our side and that is what you are saying that we have to do. I am saying that??????? What a strange way of understanding what you read..... !!!!!!!
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Wrong way is in the eye of the beholder. Very true. and since this war on terror is essentially an ideological war. it is in no way a purely military one. it cant be won that way. The 9/11 commission, The Iraq Study Group and others concluded, correctly, that it is an ideological not a military conflic
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Muslims who have complained have shown that insults towards their religion is not the only thing that makes them wanna call for death. Those who are calling for death are not the ones whom i am talking about. The Muslims who condemned calling for death are the ones i am saying we should understand
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whether everyone who's being detained is a terrorist or not, they were hanging out with the wrong crowd I agree with what Gid said about human rights. but the above statement by tooth defines the problem. and if we are in doubt about their real intentions, it is natural that we should be careful abou
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Do you not see this Knighting as an exercise in free speech? Or do you think the members of the House of Windsor are not entitled to what we Americans see as a God given right to it? Please clarify the exact nature of your problem! Amazing LW. Did i say they dont have that right? of course they do. I
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Self-censorship to avoid offense may be a desireable act in your opinion, and in fact, it is the basis of all diplomacy. Isnt that what i said? I was hoping that the Queen acts with that in mind. that was what my point is all about. But all of a sudden the comments started talking about Free Speech and
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I think you mean LW not Gid. I'm honest when I say I know very little except for what I have seen and read. That alone is enough to tell me that they are very over-protective towards their religion and their prophets. That still does not give them the right to call for death every time someone says something bad about them.
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But you know what, TA? I cannot recall a single incident in which any Christian, (leader or laymen) put a price on Dan Brown's head, and promised salvation for whoever killed him. Very true. and i think i said that before on this thread. People are different and smart people, which i suppose we are, d
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I mean good god, she made Paul McCartney and Elton John knights of the realm. What the hell did "they" do to deserve that? Amen to that. I think it degrades the title. or may be i consider it more prestigious than most.
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I am asking you if you have any idea WHY this honor pissed them off. Why the book did. I'm curious to see if you can even begin to understand why this work of fiction was seen by some to be sufficiently egregious to warrant the murder of the author. <TABLE cellpadding=8 width="95%" align=center bgColo
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You really ought to learn to think for yourself before you 'think aloud', TA. It seems to me (see ... i did that on my own) that you cant handle a civil discussion and are trying to turn it into a personal one. What exactly is your point in doing that? i am not interested in personal arguements with you
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The same way that TA can say that we are not a part of foreign policy when we go to a foreign country and act like idiots. Doc what "WE" say does not have the same impact as when it is said by the Queen of UK or the President of the USA. Does it?... TA Does that mean "We" are not
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here is the link again Link
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if you could give a few specifics, that would be great I really dont want to repeat or discuss what Rushdi said in his novel about Islam and Its Prophet. In short he named several characters in his novel with names very close to those of the Prophet, his wives and companions. He used the name Mahound,
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The Queen is not the PM, and therefore has no say in the foreign policy of that country She may not set foreign policy, but she certainly represents Great Britain in such a way
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What did he say, TA? Have you read the book? Could you give me a few specifics, please? I thought we agreed that i dont have the intellect to do that? besides, i dont want to turn this discussion into a contest between your knoweldge and mine. This is not the issue here.
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So then tell me why do you not expect as much from them? you expect more from people who are more educated, more free, more powerful,...etc. That is why.
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So when we breath, and the papers pick it up, we have to quake in our boots because we just made foreign policy?An extreme example, perhaps. But take your view to a conclusion, and that is what you are saying. Extremes of any kind are not a good idea no matter what. and "WE" are not officials. what "
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I believe that you are only excusing those who would be offended and not expecting from them what you expect from England, or us for that matter. I am not excusing them, i am saying we should recognize how they feel and use it to our advantage. And you are ABSOLUTELY correct. I am expecting mo
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I've never seen you express sensitivity to the Christians these awards offend, TA. Have you once advocated for censoring the Da Vinci Code out of fear that Christian hate groups will act out, and that moderate Christians will support them in their anger? First, I never advocated censoring Rushdie or an
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So it has NOTHING to do with their foreign policy, other than it makes international news. That is part of Foreign policy. If i am , as you say, clueless you think the majority of Muslims are not? Thanks for the lesson and great guess.
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but the Muslims in the middle east did call for the destruction of Holland and the death of the pope. some of the Muslims in America did call for the destruction of Holland and the death of the pope You should have inserted "some" at the begining as you did at the end. Then your statement would be true
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