Don't you think a child will get confuse by this? If the parents are non-believers, most times the child is taught to be as well, however the good thing would be is to let the child make that choice, IMO. Again, though, what choice is better? Here is the full, official pledge with the two words. Omit
I get tired of being told that as an atheist I "hate" or "fear" God (or gods or goddess). "Hating" God, to me, would be like hating Santa Claus for not bringing me a new Porsche for Christmas -- makes no sense, because it's silly to hate that which does not exist. "Fear" is in the same category. I should fear God as much as I fea
I agree that the out-right banning of the pledge was dumb as hell. Well, unless it can be ammended to omit the two words, the only other recourse, if it is found to be unconstitutional, would be to ban the official version until then. I don't think that it would be a life long perma ban. Just until t
I think the absolute best thing would be to not raise a big stink about those 2 words and allow people who feel that way, not to have to say those 2 words. And I think that the best way would be to remove the two words from the official version of the pledge and allow people that want to express themsel
My money is on you and the crazy pills... Normally, I'd agree. But lately, I've been pondering the positive ramifications of adding a Terry Tate to the military staff...
Also, score one to MM for hosting such an emotional debate that has stayed civil. WOOHOO!
There aren't enough insightfuls--for your commments here and on other similar threads. I knew my big bold peer pressure line would score!!! HAHA! Thanks. And back at you, too.
This would all still feed in to what I said about explaiing it all at the beginning; it could be made plain that, under our way of government, it was a personal choice as to whether or not to say those words. So, if ayone did not say them, that was okay, too. It could be used as a tool to help kids better understand our rights as
after some thought I can see where going back to the original pledge might not be a bad thing.I still do not like a small percentage dictating to me what to think.I guess any form of government, even democracy has its flaws and loopholes. Just to build on this a little, I've got another question to add.
As to perhaps feeling peer pressure: do you really think a roomful of 5-year-olds is going to notice if one or two of them skips over 2 words? I doubt it. I don't. From grade school all the way up through high school, children look for ways to fit in. An easy way to fit in is to find a reason why the
So, when a four year old is taught in school by a teacher that everyone says the pledge every morning and this is how it goes, you are saying that doesn't violate the parents right to direct their children's religious education? We are talking about schools here. That is important to remember. We are talking about impressi
no one makes anyone recite the pledge, for the last time! Peer pressure is a bitch.
disagreement is good, but you can believe it or not the godless nazis will be listening for any infractions of the ruling. What infractions of what rule? If they officially take out the two words, there is nothing, I say again, NOTHING that can be done, legally, to someone that recites the pledge indiv
I scored in the 14-17 range, too. It would appear my Catholic School education has paid off.
Go Browns! Go Buccaneers! Yeah, nothing to do with your post and I DO have two home teams.
because sure as I am alive the california schools will have someone listening to hear if any children say the offending Under god while reciting the NEW PLEDGE. Now, see, I disagree there. They can not keep you from expressing your worship just as they can't sponsor it. As has been posted elsewhere,
Newdow wants all references to religion ripped out of public life. While this may be completely true, he is, in fact, trying to keep the use of "under God" out of the school houses during the pledge. Those are two completely different thing. One is impossible, ridiculous and would be illegal, the othe
Why does an Atheist do what they do? Only God knows...
I came back from 11 refreshing days of leave yesterday. The running joke all day was, "Oh, by the way, this/that/the other came up while you were gone and it's your job to work it. Now, the reality is most of it was really my stuff that had just piled up while I was gone, but it was still funny for everyone else to let me in on each piece of information a little at
I burned the last of my use or lose leave for the year last week. It was nice. I didn't think about work for 11 whole days and I got a fair bit of WoW in. Yeah, I'm still feeding that addiction. I did get out in the sunlight and away from the keyboard, though. I'm not that far gone. My wife got off early on Saturday and we packed up the dogs and headed u
While I got Joe Normal, I was hoping for Joe User...
Joe Normal 21 % Nerd, 43% Geek, 26% Dork For The Record: A Nerd is someone who is passionate about learning/being smart/academia. A Geek is someone who is passionate about some particular area or subject, often an obscure or difficult one. A Dork is someone who has difficulty with common social expectations/interactions. You scored less than half in all three,
On the topic of the mug - I like it! More mug = more coffee! I have a mug I picked up at Universal Studios last year that looks to be the same size as this one. It's my favorite mug.
Playing catch up today. Congrats, even if it is late.
I left a laborously long comment elsewhere. Read it or don't. I care not. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
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