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Gideon MacLeish
[quote]When Congress sets the spending, even though not all agree, they MUST set tax Revenue to equal that approved spending![/quote] This is backwards. They should set spending to the tax revenue.
[quote]That is not the question.[/quote] The question was, how do I answer that? The answer I give is spending cuts. I really wish you would stop "shouting" at me when I concede a key point of yours. It's poor form. [quote]WE WILL NEED both SPENDING CUTS AND ADDED TAX REVENUE TO BOTH BALANCE THE ANNUAL BUDGET AND repay THE DEBT! [/quote] I disagree. IF we need additional tax revenue AFTER spending cuts are implemented, then and ONLY then should we even THINK a
[quote]There are a million reasons to not go to college, but money isn't one of them.[/quote] EXACTLY. Daniel, the federal government spends tons of money to help students go to school. STATE governments spend tons of money as well. Add in civic groups, nonprofits, etc, and it's probably fair to say that somewhere in the billions of dollars lf "free" aid is offered every year. It's nobody's fault but your own if you don't use it. In the last year and a half ALL I paid
[quote]wrong you can go to college if you can either afford the tuition(spch). get a loan for it. or spend lots of time getting it by taking one or two classes at a time. and then to get that peace of paper you still have to pay the tuition.[/quote] Pell grant, $2050 a semester...NOT A LOAN!
[quote]In fact, I think there are some majors that should be DISCOURAGED since we already have too many grads from those programs.[/quote] I agree. I think ALL federal financial aid for higher education should have the following stipulations: 1. Four years college at government expense means four years public service, military or otherwise. Don't like it? Pay your own way. 2. You must pursue a degree in a field where there is demand. I would have no problem ri
[quote]but i don't see that many more people going to college that don't go now. but if it opened the door to just 1% of 1% of the population of america it would be worth it.[/quote] What you do not seem to understand is that anyone who wants to go to college, already CAN. There's no locked door that needs to be opened.
[quote]you keep making my points for me lately thank you [/quote] No, your point was that the government should pay for postsecondary education. My point is that it's unnecessary and that you already have access to all the educational resources you could ever need! [quote]but the knowledge that you gained isn't worthless even if you never get a job using it. [/quote] But the knowledge I gained can be obtained for FREE from a public library. It isn't necessary to go to
[quote]HOW do you answer that? [/quote] You KNOW how I answer that. Which is, incidentally, not how the GOP does. Cut spending! You and I agree on one key point, Col, and I think it's fair to acknowledge that. We agree the government should not spend more than it earns. The difference is, you see the solution as raising taxes, I see it as cutting spending.
I disagree, stubby. There will always be a place for menial employment. Your vision is interesting, but I don't see it as being practical. Even if it was, not everyone has the CAPACITY to acquire the knowledge that comes with an advanced degree. If you are correct, the future world will be a massive welfare state because there is no other choice.
[quote] I am just accepting your terminology! [/quote] Nice spin, but let's look at the facts: If you pay x dollars in taxes in 2007, and you pay x + 1 dollars, that is a tax increase. It's spin to call it anything else. I was just interested in your change in terminology. Ultimately, you know it's an increase, you just don't want to say it.
"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" -- also from the Bible. I'm assuming that Jesus wasn't saying the poor and middle class didn't HAVE to pay!
[quote]They will increase taxes on the upper income [/quote] Wait a second. You keep insisting you're not in favor of increasing taxes, you just want to "roll back". Ironic, on an article talking about "flipflops" of a Presidential candidate!
[quote]I would like to see Edwards [/quote] Cute. Real cute. So you agree, the solution to health care is to make criminals out of Americans who don't have it?
[quote]as for incentives those who work hard under our current system would still work hard even if college was totally free. [/quote] Experience has not proven this. When I worked in the factory, danielost, I easily outproduced my coworkers by 75-100%. In one factory job, a coworker looked over at me and smiled, and said "and to think, I get paid exactkly as much as you do!" Socialism (your proposal is essentially a form of it) does not create incentive, it inhibits i
[quote]the government shall not support one religion over another.[/quote] Close, but no cigar, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Was this teacher a Congressman? And did he propose a law prohibiting the free exercise of religion? If he did, I misspoke. We agree that this teacher is a shameful example of the teaching profession. We disagree that Constitutional rights were violated.
[quote]snow tires, insurance or whatever can help you get to work but they cannot help you get the job. [/quote] Neither can a degree, danielost. I just now received my degree. I've spent twenty years in the workforce without one, and never have had a problem obtaining gainful employment. Some of those jobs paid pretty well, too.
[quote]MCdonalds here in the states do have a very high quality control standard, and every franchise is subject to periodic reviews to ensure they adhere to them. [/quote] Yes and no, Dr. Guy. The standard is not well enforced, as I can tell you firsthand.
About 7 years ago, I sat in a marketing "class". Oh, don't get me wrong, it contained a lot of good information. A lot of VERY good information, in fact, that I use to this day. But the marketing class was just a sales pitch for the latest Internet marketing company that had set up shop. At the end of the day, we all received a very nice quality certificate, printed out on quality parchment paper. It was well presented, but all it was, effectively, was a sales pitch. It was at
You know, I agree more than disagree here. I actually see no problem with private ownership of automatics, but I agree that people should be trained and certified in the type of weapon they wish to purchase, and I agree with background checks. Neither destroys the intent of the Second Amendment. After all, a "well regulated militia" wouldn't be composed with kooks or idiots who think tracer bullets are a really good thing to shoot down subway tunnels at night! Good piece, Big Fat Daddy.
[quote]no these do not empower the people. these take away from the people. education gives to the people. [/quote] Daniel, No amount of classroom learning can give anything to a person that they can't obtain on their own. In the intervening years between stints at college I've done pretty well for myself. I just find myself repeatedly bumping against the glass ceiling that has been there because I lacked a degree. I decided to do something about it. ALL a dip
[quote]Are you guys for real and serious????? [/quote] You apparently missed the part where I said parents should pull their kids from their classroom. No matter. I'm used to poor reading comprehension on my posts. The point is that the student is claiming his Constitutional rights were violated. HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WERE NEVER VIOLATED! Yes, the teacher was a jerkhole, but he never violated the rights of the students. And incidentally, "separation of chu
This is a spurious lawsuit, and part of what's wrong with America. Where were the student's rights violated? The right not to be offended does not exist in the Constitution. I know you're just reporting this one, KFC, but here's my take. If my children were in this classroom, I would pull them from the school and make sure administration knew why. But as appalling as this man's speech was, he has a right to it until/unless the school chooses to act. And if enough parents pull their chil
danielost, I'm trying to be constructive in saying this. You are an adult. You can love your dad, and honor him, but still be your own person. If you want your life to be better, YOU'RE going to have to do it. The government won't hold your hand, and nobody can make you do it, but ultimately you need to decide what is important. If you're not happy, it is up to you to change it. I started out with ALL the strikes against me, danielost. I got by with a lot of help from my friend
[quote]there are those who will never be able to go to college if they wanted to. like me. [/quote] No, you could go, danielost. If I can have six kids and go back, I assure you you can go. My point was, and is, that if the government pays for your schooling, ity removes the incentive. I agree that education is a better use of government money than welfare is, but I disagree that college should be free all the way through. Are you aware how easy it would be to remain a professi