JoeUser Forums"While midplate quakes are more rare, they do happen" - MasonM Thank you for the helpful input. It just seems disturbing, being near where we live.
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Early September, Americans were greeted by news that caused some relief – Oil find in the Gulf of Mexico, some transportable distance from Louisiana. Link With the choking prices of gas going ever upwards, and after hearing of limited oil supply from the Alaskan pipeline due to leaks in Prudhoe Bay tha
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Lemmesee. Whatsinaname? A rose..blah-blahblah. This Post came to me because of observations I’ve noted on names of business establishments and other advertised stuff I’ve passed by which caused me to chuckle. Some of them: “Merciful Barbershop” (Gad, I’d hate to submit myself for a trim there!) “ Mahal Kita Honey” ( translated,”I Love You Hone
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you start small. -beginning with dedicated people around you who share your own ideal. Maybe in your case , your entire province. Concentrate your efforts where you know the yield will be better recognized and better accepted. Maybe, the next time around, the people you've influenced could affect other larger areas. Be wary of people who instigate you to undermine an existing system that although imperfect, serves to bring about an order whereby your p
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"Is it about Hillary's presidency during the 90s?" - Rightwinger Huh?!!? Just what has this comment got to do with our options in this war? It's just unfortunate that my post should come at a time when elections are again nearing, and people reading may probably get tempted to insert something politically partisan instead of trying to study the issues. When people start inserting argumentum ad hominems , we will never get anywhere.
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"Which is another reason we aren't at war with Islam, but with people who have decided that the only people who should be allowed to live are Muslims." - ParaTed2k Exactly. The ideological war is actually between Islam and Terrorists villifying Islam. True Muslims actually have a duty to confront this terrorist ideology destroying their own religion. It is a problem actually to be resolved between and among Muslims while we ,as the targete
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"The war we fight today is more than a military conflict,\" the president said. \"It is the decisive ideological struggle of the 21st century." - Obsession -Tell me what concrete steps have we done to address the problem of ideology? Have we organized Americans to look into this? Have we encouraged ,supported and funded them to work with allied Muslims to counteract the twisted rhetoric the imams are giving the potential terrorists? -coordin
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I actually just read thru your post (like speed-reading,sorry), but what actually struck me was this song I just did which had the same title as your post. I don't have it online yet, but if you can give me link where I can send /upload it, you may find it similar to what you wanted to say.
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my basic message is, after hearing all the arguments (and non-arguments, )so far, is that there may be a better option in this War on Terror other than"staying the course". After all that's happened, I don't think anybody, even those in the highest levels of government, remains satisfied with the disastrous results of the Iraq invasion, much less, after the years of effort of trying to stabilize the country. After all those years and the bloody ou
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"Yes, Iraq would just fall apart. It would be a hell on Earth. Much worse than it is." - Rightwinger This is of course a valid assumption, but we've heard a lot of these scenarios(in fact, too much), that I just thought of balancing it out with my "what if.." post. When you really take a look at the alternative options and try to be objective about it, it would be disturbing because it does make sense.
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"I don't know where people got the idea that there is honor in quitting before the job is done." - Parated2K I know what you mean. It doesn't feel right. But I guess the bone of contention here is who defines actually when" the job is done". Usually the goals you set out when you start a serious thing such as an invasion, are defined and you use them as your yardstick to measure when the job is "done" (even half-done). As we already know, the
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"and why don't paramedics just show up to the home of a heart attack patient, hand them a bottle of oxygen, a mask, a handfull of nitro, a bunch of baby aspirin and maybe a dose or to of morphine and say, "here's all you need to overcome your problem, we came, we did all we could, the rest is up to you." - Parated2K Of course the comparison between a one-on-one stituation (paramedic and patient) and an invading military force and an Iraqi in
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"Abroad, our nation is committed to an historic, long-term goal -- we seek the end of tyranny in our world. Some dismiss that goal as misguided idealism. In reality, the future security of America depends on it." - Obsession (Anonymous User) -Now it's the President's quote I'm suppose to answer. Jeez. Well, I'll just say we could commit ourselves to the very same goals without necessarily using outdated military concepts and strategies whi
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"If we left, nearly immediately, a smaller U.N. force would be present to guard against an Iranian / Shia double-team takeover. President Bush would enjoy a small bounce back in the polls of about ten points and as Iraq (as most world news does unless we are specifically involved) fades in to the background Bush's poll points would probably creep back up to the fifties within a few months. Defense contractors, left with surplus merchandise woul
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"Can we truly afford to return to the destructive view that America — not the enemy — is the real source of the world\'s troubles?\" -Friday Night Boredom (anonymous user) Another Rummy quote (jeez, I can't believe I'm responding to this) which is actually a non sequitur . When somebody (say, a general) notes fighting isn't going well among his troops, he orders a withdrawal and devises a totally new strategy. Would that be an equivalent
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"Rumsfeld alluded to critics of the Bush administration\'s war policies in terms associated with the failure to stop Nazism in the 1930s, \"a time when a certain amount of cynicism and moral confusion set in among the Western democracies.\" Without explicitly citing Bush critics at home or abroad, he said \"it is apparent that many have still not learned history\'s lessons.\" Aides to Rumsfeld said later he was not accusing the administration\'s cr
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I know this may sound irresponsible to some people owing to the fact that it was US who stirred up a hornet's nest when we invaded. But time and history seems to be the better teacher and now it's just, with the best intentions, really just damage control. And we've done what we could and bled our resources to try to make the best of a fiasco that would've been better
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( their "hearts and minds" already belong to ALLAH, what makes you think we can do anything to change that? ) - Moderateman WE can't, but Muslims can and they will.
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I understand the barbarity shown to us by the enemy can easily tempt us to be as deranged as they are, but before we forget, the War is really a war for the "hearts and minds", not a war of body counts, or even for real estate. Muslims with a twisted ideology started this War. Muslims with a counter-ideology will end it. Part of our setbacks can be attributed to a failure to redirect our efforts towards this direction.
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You're a very brave person to have risen from what you've gone thru and found a more meaningful relationship. You can't gather all those little broken pieces and make them as whole as what they were, but it'll work out for the best in the end.
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Ok, I'll sign up too. March 1st.
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p.s. as I write, Hamas has just won a landslide victory in the Palestine elections. Since the elections were overseen and judged as fair by no less than former Pres. Carter who was just as alarmed by the results, we may indeed get what we wished for democratic governments in the Middle East.
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I might as well follow-up my belated greeting with this thread - Happy Birthday, Tex! (-sorry, didn't know)
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" i can do no better than to second mz wahini's very astute appraisal. who coulda guessed the democratic election process would provide islamization with such a powerful push ? what happens when pakistanis are free to vote? so much for democracies being peaceful neighbors." -Kb -Wow! Those two questions are enough for a whole new forum post. I'm sure they're on everyone's minds, but since everybody's "terrori
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Parated2K,MythicalMino, Deference, Slanderer, Tex, DJBandit, Thank you for your insights. I see a common thread in all of them and that is, eventually, we have to leave the Iraqis alone and trust their destiny to their own political maturity , no matter how undeveloped or developing we may think it to be. "...but you've lumped alot of stuff together" - Slanderer See what happens when you lump a lot of stuff togethe
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