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BakerStreet, it troubles me that you actually you have some insight into what you think God might be. You don't. Religion is one of the greatest sources of oppression our citizens have in this life. It is in its nature that it is extistential. And just because the Evil mostly happened in the past, doesn't negate the possiblity that it will also be a problem in the future. Your God is just a figment of your imagination, with no real affect in the world we live. That is why my

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Educate me then. Why is my POV incorrect when I liken Christians (the fundamentalist kind, not the "say they are" kind) to muslim extremists? When I say enemy, I mean religion (real religion not fake religion). You can say " I believe" and just be lying, both to yourself and to the one your saying it to. However those people that blow themselves up believing they are doing it for God, are not fake. They actually do become dead because of their religion. Why is this POV incorrect ex

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I didn't know the same guy that wrote the Old testament wrote the new testament. It seems to me that they were written over a 100 years apart. Go figure. They musta really been written near the same time if that were true. The OT is kinda boring, all those begats. Too much incest for my blood. Did you know that Darth Vader was really Lukes Dad. Damb, I thought he was just some evil kook. Kinda reminds me of some Christians I know. Know your enemy. Anyone that

Reply to Allah or Jesus? in Religion JoeUser Forums

Yes I agree. Christians are all going to hell. The Christian tree is about as evil as it gets. In fact, the more faith you apply in the name of Christianity, the more evil you do. Its kinda like phsychosis.

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“If the ignorance of nature gave birth to gods, the knowledge of nature is calculated to destroy them.” -- Baron D’Holbach (Paul Henry Thiry), 18th century European philosopher “When I look up at the starry heavens at night and reflect upon what it is that I really see there, I am constrained to say, ‘There is no God.’ It is not the works of some God that I see there. … I see no lineaments of personality, no human traits, but an energy upon whose currents solar systems are b

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Which kind of atheist are you refering. Atheists don't necessarily state "there is no God". Atheists (most of them) say they don't believe (use faith) that God exists. I put the link up there for ya in case you are interested. Some atheist will say "That God your talking about "doesn't exists" " because it Contradicts itself and Contradictions necessarility make that particular assumption incorrect. I can say "I know the Christian" God doesn't exist. I can say "The

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I guess the question you have to ask yourself is: which religion are you going to choose. Because you enjoy Faith because of Hope, then you obviously want faith. You could make up your own religion and believe whatever you want. Or you can follow someone and learn from some other religious "fanatic" I mean person. That is a personal choice. However if your after freedom from problems like Guilt, and Fear of things that may exists because of your exercisation of faith like HELL,

Reply to An easy way to become an atheist in Religion JoeUser Forums

Well not withstanding a serious change in proof, Bakerstreet and I will never agree on a definition of Atheism. Atheism Info Jilluser, people become atheists because atheism has some attractive phillosophy. The attraction is mostly about being in line with the world. Something Christianity is against. And what I mean by the world, I mean real life. Atheists (not withstanding baker's religion) want t

Reply to An easy way to become an atheist in Religion JoeUser Forums

Why not be more specific. Define the thing you think I don't believe in. Please, that way I will know for sure that I don't believe in it. I have a Christian friend that may be dying. He prays that the meds he takes will help him live. Is that a material thing he isn't suppose to pray for? I mean it is material that is being prayed on. Do you think that his prayer will have any affect whatsoever on the matterial (his meds)? And if so, in what capacity. Fox

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Actually Dr Guy, in order for you to make any value out of the "materialistic thing" is that you would have to keep it. And it doesn't have to be so materialistic. How about an answer to a lottery ticket. No one says that God wouldn't make you lose it on the way to claim your prize. And it isn't selfish to want personal "proof" that God exists. Whether you get pearls or not. You just seem to keep missing the mark as they say. The definition of Atheist for baker: One who

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Myrrander... I know that is what it says, but is that what people actually do after going through the effort of the exorcise. I think people would become as religiously benign as atheist if they do this and are commited to it. And yes Dr Guy, you could pray that sand is in your cup, but if you told someone, someone might just put sand in your cup. That is why it is more reasonable to make it something of value. (I mean if God can giveth, God can taketh away) I never said you could

An easy way to become an atheist in Religion JoeUser Forums

Pray that 5 black pearls will be found in a coffee cup on your coffee table 10 times a day. And each day when it is confirmed that there are no 5 marbles, your belief will changed. Do this for 30 days, and at the end you will be an atheist.

Reply to Religion and science: The Truth is out there...... in Religion JoeUser Forums

When in fact religion is the most controlling and inhibiting system of thought. I am a free-thinker. No one tells me what to think, I figure it out on my own. Religion tells you what to think, and there is no real room for critical thought when dealing with the religious right. Its an obscure trap, they say one thing and in fact the other is true. It was once said to me that the Bible teaches you must love God to love your neighbor, when in fact the opposite is true. (You must give

Reply to Religion and science: The Truth is out there...... in Religion JoeUser Forums

I understand somewhat where your coming from. However, when I was a Christian, I was considered closed minded. And in part I was. However I think your incorrect. Atheists believe in many unseen things. And have many good values. Atheists don't want to be bogged down with a belief system just for the sake of believing. It doesn't last. We pretend we are smart. Lots of people pretend to be smart. Some are smart. But smarts is not really what is in question, its what people are ta

Reply to Does it require Faith to be an atheist. in Religion JoeUser Forums

You are here stating your beliefs. I am here stating I don't believe those beliefs. AGAIN, to the believers in the world. Atheism IS NOT FAITH. It is not a belief. It is lack of believing in God or Gods. I enjoy sharing my freedom as you enjoy sharing your belief system with others. I respect others that believe those systems, I don't have verfy much respect for the belief systems themselves. The two things are completely different. It is unfortunate you have the right

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Who here believes in the islamic God? If you don't believe in the Islamic God, do you deny the existence of this God you disbelieve in. Do you have faith that that particular God doesn't exist? I have never set out to prove to anyone that God doesn't exist. That is where every religious entity is incorrect in their thinking. If the religious want to prove that God exists, then they must do so, otherwise they shouldn't speak. I haven't insulted your beliefs, on the contrary, I respec

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excuse me! this article does not spring from Reconcilliation. It springs from a totally different source. Humans can hold conflicting thoughts, that is what makes us human. But reconciling two conflicting thoughts where it is not possible, is to lack integrity. It is to say to yourself that since I have no way of reconcilling these two differing ideas, I will just live with them both because I have faith. That is my whole point. Faith is in no way a reliable or usefult tool for

Does it require Faith to be an atheist. in Religion JoeUser Forums

These opins are my own: Written by Richard Carrier It is probably true that almost all atheists stand for the values of reason and freethought. I will attempt to put these values in more substantial terms. There is the belief that inquiry and doubt are essential checks against deception , self deception, and error. There is the belief that l ogic

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Ah, did I hurt some feelings. Step on some toes? Make you question your belief systems just a little. Well good. I am glad you furry can come to terms in agreement with Bakerstreet. You calling yourself an atheist, and then calling if faith. You don't have a clue. As I have stated before in many previous posts. Atheists are WITHOUT faith. So call yourself someting else. Maybe a faith based atheist. That is more suited to the your world view thant just plain atheist. I

Are our pet's self aware in Religion JoeUser Forums

I am interested in knowing what you think. I believe all three of our cats are self aware. They experience jealousy, fear, and have highly structured social cues. When I am gone, Jasper (a neutered male) will wine very loudly sometimes. So what do you think, are humans the only animals that we consider to be self aware? <!-- Ju-Anchor-Footer-Sta

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In the post where it said Einstein and "God does not play dice" I will link it to ya so you can understand it better: Link So you think einstein needs help. That's classic.

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If your going to post something about Einstien. Make it complete. " you said: Then, you say it doesn't matter how many important scientists were religious historically, since it would disprove your assertion that scientific thinking and faith are exclusive.". Actually it doesn't do that at all. The two are contradictory. It is humans that can hold two contradicting ideas and don't care that they do. That is whay I mean by integrit

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Einstein and "God does not play dice" "Albert Einstein believed in God. Do you think you're cleverer than him?" Einstein did once comment that "God does not play dice [with the universe]". This quotation is commonly mentioned to show that Einstein believed in the Christian God. Used this way, it is out of context; it refers to Einstein's refusal to accept some aspects of the most popular interpretations of quantum theory. Furthermore,

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I didn't reallize that spelling was a requirement to exercise logic. You guys make this too easy, Argument fallacies being used by backstreet. Also it doesn't really matter how many scientists were agnostic or not. Argumentum ad verecundiam The Appeal to Authority uses admiration of a famous person to try and win support for an assertion. For example: "Isaac Newton was a genius and he believed in God."<B

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You assume its up to me for posting a proof there is no God. However the burdon of proof is on those that actaully don't have any and even admit that they don't. Does it disturb you to find out that it is more likely there isn't a God? Integrity is about being truthful, and working with the facts and real world systems. Faith isn't a real world system, its imaginary. You may think I don't have respect for other cultures, but its not respe