[quote who="Philly0381" reply="185" id="2575601"]The land that once was full of opportunities, possibilities and freedoms has turned into the land of commercialism, corporations and profits. What happened? [/quote]That America was sold to the highest bidder and outsourced to India, Pakistan and China.
[quote]didn't hear anything about jail time but fines yes [/quote]To be precise they are not fines, they are tax penalties. No more, no less. Try not paying any of your taxes and there are a proscribed set of escalating consequences. Just ask Wesley Snipes. And there are many places my tax money goes that I don't approve of either. The wars for example. The defense industry for another. Tax cuts for people like Wesley Snipes for a third. But I don't have a choice as to which portion o
[quote]If you prefer the state make all your decisions for you, fine, but forcing the state on me against my will is wrong. And when you run out of enough productive people, the whole socialist experiment will collapse (see SSR, U of).[/quote]Um. The USSR was communist, not socialist. Talk about a strawman. So how are France, England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Italy, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland and on and on and on doing? Because they are all socialist by y
[quote who="Daiwa" reply="179" id="2575555"] Being poor is not a choice. Nor is it a permanent condition, except in your socialist utopia. As usual, you project, stereotype & generalize to the point of meaninglessness. [/quote]Not quite the explicit denial. OK so your only claim is that those that are permanently poor are so because of their own choice? So what should we do with these people? What is your solution? Debtor's prison? The work ho
[quote who="Daiwa" reply="161" id="2575321"]And I just get real tired of people who haven't a clue as to the motivations of others pretending they know it all, throwing up & knocking down straw man after straw man after straw man. I refuse to accept your premise(s).[/quote]Really? That's interesting. So you *don't* believe that people that are poor are so because they are either stupid, lazy or more likely both? If so then you're a pretty rare conservative aroun
[quote]By the way... with this new law, we are forced to purchase this healthcare with the threat that if we dont, we get FINED and get JAIL TIME. So my question is... what are people with no money or job going to do? (ie. guy who sleeps under a bridge in L.A. in a cardboard box). Does the goverment round them all up and use them as endentured servants to cover the fine and jail sentence?[/quote]Um. They get health insurance for free. That's like the point of the bill. Even peopl
[quote]"I'm not a socialist, I'm a progressive" crap. It's just semantics. [/quote]I'm fine with that. It's the same as denier/skeptic or proponent/alarmist. There's really only two sides to the argument and you are either on one side or the other. By being pedantic about the title by which you're addressed you force people to go around saying Republican/Libertarian/Conservative/Whatever every time they want to address the other side. It's silly to pretend that if someone in a long post types
[quote]Please find the post where I complained about the taxes I'm paying. [/quote]First off just because I specifically replied to you, doesn't necessarily mean my reply is addressed only to you. You are certainly included, just not exclusively, so consider my usage of "you" in the following to be the royal you. Secondly please tell me which reply *isn't* one way or another a complaint about taxes and how much you (all) begrudge paying taxes that get spent on people that you con
[quote]All hat & no cattle.[/quote]I guess that's some sort of cowboy reference, but then I'm about as far from a cowboy as you could get. Don't tell me that you couldn't write a $72,000 check on a day's notice. I just get real tired of hearing people that are obviously well established in reasonably well paying professions always crying poor mouth about how much taxes they're paying. Last year I earned $180,000 in salary and another $30,000 or so in interest incom
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="150" id="2574952"]Would that be the same Wiki that William Connally so famously edited? [/quote]He can't be all that famous if you can't get his name right; it's Connolly, William Connolly. As far as Krugman, I won't quibble the measly $13,500 difference so if you prefer $50,000 then I'll stipulate to that. Now if you want to claim that either of those figures are enough to buy a fluff article on the company, then fine, that's not an unreasonable sta
[quote]($72,000 per household) [/quote]That's per household, not per individual? Using the Census Bureau data of 2.59 persons per household that amounts to only $27,800 for every (legal) man, woman and child in the country. Heck that's no big deal, we could pay that off tomorrow. I have that much in my checking account earning 0.1% interest. I can send them a certified check today if they ask for it. Can you? Hel
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="144" id="2574830"]Quoting Daiwa, reply 142 To borrow from Mumble's repertoire of tactics, Krugman is a cretin. I would say a hypocritical cretin. Anyone who can run Enron into the ground and then blame someone else for it, is a hypocrite. [/quote]Boy, Krugman must be pretty amazing. He spent 4 days in Houston on an advisory panel for which he was paid $37,500 and was able to run the industries 800 lb gorilla into the ground, particularly since th
"You have no idea what was directed at whom. Maybe your kool-aid is getting low." Lie again why don't you. [quote who="Obiwan-Shenobi" reply="121" id="2574649"]But that's how conservatives work. They don't care about deficits and debt as long as the money goes to corporations or to pay for wars (even though they do tend to keep the wars "off the books" for accounting purposes). As opposed to how progressives work, not caring about debt or deficits as long as the govern
[quote who="Obiwan-Shenobi" reply="130" id="2574696"]The banking situation was not entirely the fault of the "private sector", just look at the government interfence that was instrmental in the failures. [/quote]Excuse me? From http://dorkmonger.blogspot.com/2008/11/cutting-red-tape.html . <img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_v5KLbZBFl_o/SSuMsgjf-HI/AAAAAAAAANk/Z4G7c6DuRFI/s400/chainsaw.png" alt="" width=
"I'm sure I can add plenty of congressman to the liar list. Please show proof of their allegations. You can't" I cannot prove their allegations. But I have already provided links that prove they have made these allegations. Again the point is that you are calling 4 black congressman liars. "If you read the post, it wasn't directed at you buddy. Try again Mr." Nice try. Liar. Yes the first one wasn't directly specifically at me but the second one most defin
[quote]Ah yes, another liberal elists. [/quote]So first you denigrate me by saying: [quote]I suppose you have no problem being forced by the hand of the IRS to purchase health insurance mandated by the federal government. Let me guess, you are probably someone trying to benefit from it.[/quote]And: [quote]I really can't wait until the money runs out for all your entitlements.[/quote]And then when I indicate that I make plenty of money and therefore have no real need of entitle
You can add a 4th congressman to your list of "liars". Besides Clyburn, Cleaver and Lewis now Rep. Andre Carson (D-Ind.) has also publically stated that he and other members of the CBC were called the N-word. From http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88041-cbc-member-says-health-bill-protesters-called-rep-lewis-the-n-word .
[quote] I really can't wait until the money runs out for all your entitlements.[/quote]As I said before it is far more likely that *I* will be paying for *your* entitlements than it is for *you* to be paying for *my* entitlements. Unless of course you make more than the $180,000 per year that I make in which case I find it difficult to be very sympathetic to your crying poormouth when it comes to paying for health insurance.
[quote]In its 2011 budget, which the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) released Feb. 1, the administration projected a 10-year deficit total of $8.53 trillion. After looking it over, CBO said in its final analysis, released Thursday, that the president's budget would generate a combined $9.75 trillion in deficits over the next decade. [/quote]First off that presumes what will happen ten years into the future, 2 years longer than Obama can even possibly be in office. Se
[quote]For those of you sure about the race incident here's your opportunity.....$10,000 reward for proof the Congressman's not a BOLD FACED LIAR http://reason.com/blog/2010/03/25/andrew-breitbart-offers-10000[/quote]Yeah Briebart the racist that employs O'Keefe the racist is the one that gets to determine what constitutes "proof". You could have the guy in question publically admit that he spit on Cleaver and Briebart would simply claim that he was a SEIU union plant which interestin
[quote]I suppose you have no problem being forced by the hand of the IRS to purchase health insurance mandated by the federal government. Let me guess, you are probably someone trying to benefit from it.[/quote]Um. I personally pay $19,200 per year for my health insurance and I have no problem affording it. Health insurance costs could double, triple or even quadruple and I could still afford it, I wouldn't particularly like it but it wouldn't change my standard of living in the slightest. I
This from WRSP the Fox affiliate in central Illinois. Links are provided to newpaper articles for those that have to see it in "print". Mike Vanderboegh Urges Protesters to Throw Bricks Updated: Thursday, 25 Mar 2010, 11:15 AM EDT Published : Thursday, 25 Mar 2010, 11:15 AM EDT <div class="story
[quote]now, does this mean clyburn was not being honest about being spat upon and called the 'n' word? no, it doesn't.[/quote]It was actually Clyburn, Cleaver *and* Lewis all three of which have made claims to have heard the N-word used and all three of which are therefore claimed to be lying. Not to mention the occassional "faggot" thrown at Frank but of course he's pretty used to that. But Lincoln freed the slaves you know and since Republicans are the party of Lincoln the
[quote]Ever the master of the irrational non-sequitor.[/quote]No. Not a non-sequitor. Whenever someone mentions one of Jefferson's idealistic quotes on Liberty or Freedom I think it's totally germane to wonder what Sally Hemings thought about it.
[quote]That's wierd... I'm not seeing any other JU posts (that I know of).... if so, then by all means, debate away.[/quote]Most JU forums are not visible from other sites however the Off-topic forum, which is visible from pretty much all of Stardock's sites, is already visible from JU. So if this thread gets banished to JU, the people on JU would hardly notice the difference. The forum it was contained in would change from the Off-topic forum to the Politics forum or whatever bu
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