[quote who="messiah1" reply="10" id="2299783"]It's a shame, because he was a fairly talented skinner. [/quote] I vote for "he IS an excellent skinner." Check out one of his new skins called Slimmer.
[quote who="Vad_M" reply="25" id="2299583"] I will not leave this place right now. I just stop all projects and will wait for a new version of DesktopX. Then I will take the final decision... [/quote] Vad_M You're not just some Ukrainian guy, you're a great explorer. It's always exciting to see your latest effort, because I know you'll
[quote who="RedneckDude" reply="6" id="2299392"] Ahh, so Wiz had that problem? Shame on him. He's been working with me long enough to know that. I'll have to tease him some...lol. [/quote] You fiend!
[quote who="Zubaz" reply="7" id="2298820"] willistuder That's great, Zubaz. It will include the necessities to hook up legally with TWC so that the skinners don't need to figure that out, won't it? I think that's the main problem they're having in trying to reconfigure their widgets.We'll have to see if it's possible before we look at features available (if any). [/quote] Good luck
[quote who="Vad_M" reply="14" id="2298904"] Just go with Weather Underground. Ha! It's funny but I'm study this service right now. It's not bad! But seems MSN Weather is much better and informative. So I need a bit more time to finish my experiments... [/quote] I'm excited. Please carry on. I got the new Weatherlab, and it's working fine. I'll be very interested in seeing what you come up with in v7.
[quote who="Vad_M" reply="13" id="2298899"] But they have to use someone's feed That's not right. I made the Weather Calendar a few weeks ago. It show me the weather forecast for current and previous months but it doesn't use any feeds! More then ANY ILLEGAL FEEDS. Just I think that each of us may be a bit programmer. Otherwise this hobby (or may be job) has no future... [/quote] How does that work without a feed?
[quote who="RedneckDude" reply="9" id="2298860"] I think you should reconsider that decision, and provide, by e-mail, if necessary, a sample to all the DX skinners so that they can get on with weather widgets as soon as possible. Weather may be a trivial use of DesktopX, but it's the king of DX, and without it, DX will die. I disagree fully. And I won't be integrating a weather widget into my future themes regardless of what the coders come up with. Integrating anything
[quote who="Zubaz" reply="5" id="2298793"] Couldn't you give them a widget with that coded in, if that's how it's done?I am looking into what we are able todo with our license. I think most of them need a template of some kind. Is that what Zubaz is referring to and sViz is doing?yes. I've tested a recent build and it works well while following the weather.com term of service. [/quote] That's great, Zubaz. It will include the necessities to hook up le
He's at skinnalicious. net, skinartistry2.com, skinning.net and deviantart for sure. I don't think there are any other places as yet.
[quote who="Island Dog" reply="3" id="2298769"] I don't understand why you can't include a working widget that complies with the TWC license agreement and your moderation rules to skinners at least, if not your customers. A script is not the problem here. The issue is TWC wants a logo placed on widgets, and several links as well. It's not just a line of code that is a problem. [/quote] ID, I still don't get it. I understand the logo and lin
I don't understand why you can't include a working widget that complies with the TWC license agreement and your moderation rules to skinners at least, if not your customers. It's a practical necessity, and there's no legal reason preventing you from doing so. Saying you aren't required to do so is giving the finger to the people that make all those free skins that give your customers a reason to buy Stardock/Wincustomize products. Without those free skins, there would be no reason to buy the
[quote who="Jafo" reply="4" id="2298207"] Use of a browser to access the info....namely laoding the proprietary site is not an issue....you are accessing their data AS INTENDED...hence their provision of the site itself. Extracting their information in whole or in part, no matter how, what or why will violate their TOU...unless you personally have consent to do so. I'd strongly suggest people wishing to argue/debate the TWC TOU tak
[quote who="Zubaz" reply="3" id="2298150"]willistuder, *I* believe that adblockers *do* violate a social contract. Some sites, like MySpace, specifically have "no adblocker" clauses in their terms of service. I believe that if a user wants to use a site that is funded by ad-views or ad-clicks they have an obligation to load those ads or not use the site. I subscribe to sites who offer a subscription to not see adverts and pay my way. The fact is that widgets that
sViz Thanks--I guess if anyone was going to do it, it would be you (the SDK). I'm trying to suggest a browser instead of a feed reader. Zubaz thinks a browser that ignores part of a page or site modifies the page. I don't. The page remains intact, just like if you use add-ons to a browser like an ad blocker, or picture finder. That's a tiny stumbling block to me. I'm trying to establish that it
Maybe someone should download the SDK and find out if you are even allowed to use DesktopX in the creation of the tools for using the subscriber feed. If you don't want to violate the spirit of the agreement, then things like sViz hiding the links shouldn't be permitted, you might call it modifying the data. That's why using a browser instead is a solution, not a loophole. The terms for using the subscriber feed are very strict, and could likely require the tools to be made using their SDK, w
[quote who="Zubaz" reply="16" id="2297626"] You may not modify, publish, transmit, display, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or in any way exploit, any of the content, in whole or in part.If your widget linked to a part of the weather.com page you are fine. If you resized yoru widget to only show that portion . . you are fine. If you use a widget to MODIFY the data on that page to only show certain data elements . . you are wrong. <br /
[quote who="Zubaz" reply="11" id="2297456"] Displaying their content as they design it is different that scraping the data and reusing it. [/quote] Would you call going to Google Images and grabbing a picture from a website, and not looking at what they designed scraping or mining? Would you call using a download manager to access a specific type of file without looking at their design the same?
Jafo Here is the appropriate Terms Of Use agreement published on the TWC website that applies to web browsers as opposed to subscribers to the feed, which is covered by a separate agreement, contrary to what you say. The Services contains copyrighted material, trademarks and
Jafo You're missing the distinction between the subscriber feed to which the terms of service do apply, and browsing for the information, to which they don't. Making a widget a web browser is completely different legally than it being a feed subscriber. Also, if you read the agreement, it is the maker of the application that is required to adhere
[quote who="Zubaz" reply="3" id="2297342"] What could possibly be illegal or wrong about that?Illegal . . I don't know. Wrong? If a source wants you to provide credit . . you should do it. Going around it, violates the spirit of what the source owner wants. [/quote] They don't require you to give them credit when you browse, and they aren't asking for credit anyway. Credit doesn't mean putting a logo and advertising on something, it means saying
[quote who="Zubaz" reply="15" id="2297104"] In regards to using the gadget to just host a browser window: As long as your browser goes to the weather.com website without modification you would be fine. But that might beuglier than a logo and links. [/quote] I"m thinking of turning the widget into a browser which doesn't open a web page, but retrieves just the data, which I guess is what Vad_M has done. It's perfectly within the law to browse for specific information on
[quote who="sViz" reply="9" id="2296759"]Yes, they are included, but there's nothing in the agreement that says they must be visible at all times. They'll be hidden by default with a toggle button to show. The only visually obtrusive elements are the logo and the text attribute beneath it. [/quote] "provide four (4) promotional links, selected by TWCi and provided through the Service on each data call, back to www.weather.com for additional weather information
[quote who="CarGuy1" reply="5" id="2296440"] The logo has never appeared in the past, for instance, and it never bothered anyone. I can say for sure that I would hate to see it on the skin, anymore than the DesktopX logo or the WC logo. I can't imagine that any skinner here would try to skirt this rule since it is a condition of using the feed. Besides, it's the right thing to do. [/quote] Not that it matters much, but skinners have been in
sViz I forgot to mention another thing. The service agreement requires 5 links, one of which I guess is the TWC logo, and 4 ad link logos. Is your test widget going to have these by any chance? I'd like to see how much it wrecks the appearance of the widget.
[quote who="VistArtXPosed" reply="25" id="2296390"]I've had that error since last week. I've tried un & re-installing the SD Weather 3.05 widget and it didn't help. Other widgets have had the same problem. So it appears that i'm not the only one with this problem... [/quote] You should try SD Weatherlab 6.3. It's got a list of 38,000 cities (at least) that you can pick from instead of entering a code. I think he's updated it, and you'll probably have to wai
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