my friend im no stranger to any of the races. what im trying to get at with vitamin is that scouts ARE needed. they need to be mixed in. ive beaten advents before. i know how the vasari fleet works. im just trying to understand vitamins point of view.
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this doesnt answer my question im afraid. vitamin.
really? then what are? we all know the advent spam flak so strike craft are out. enforcers will be repulsed subs cant get in there during repulse... what else? have you in mind? an SB? sbs work only on chokes. the advent can simply retreat and you if you want to win will have to chance and decisively defeat him if you want to win. vs a advent spammer you will almost NEVER set up an SB in the system without it dying/ being at low health at deployment. so tell me what should i do?
They (vas scouts) OBVIOUSLY need a buff if this is to be effective. just yesterday playing howler i had a mix of scouts and lrms. and while the scouts werent in greater number the overall fleet was which means i should still tear through lums. it didnt. the scouts always fell first. i see how the seekers lasers fire like ilm beams in a 3 directional pattern. if that were added onto the vas scout that would be all they need..maybe a little hp or shield boost. as it stands now. in a 3 to 1 rati
vas subverter abuse? its 20 seconds. youre just mad i blasted your entire fleet prol. use logic. not emotion. ilums need a significant nerf that follows the lines of the advent thinking... low hull high shielding. thats how it should be.. therefore i suggest that lums be dropped to 500-550 hull points on par with the TEC lrm. you can drop its shielding maybe 50 points right now as its got more shielding than a TEC HEAVY CRUISER. other than that id prob decrease its dmg.
Buff Vasari Scouts DMG and HP Nerf Iums Resource cost Carriers Increase fighter hp , Decrease build penalty. Scouts no change. period. Missile Barrage Increase Am Use Repulse Increase AM cost and Resource Cost
i cannot agree on the fact that SCOUTS should be able to FIGHT nonetheless DEFEAT a heavy combat unit and do 200 percent of the dmg against it? that just sounds, and is, completely wrong. sorry amish. but i feel you need to find a new way to counter your rock vs rock scenario.
see i wouldnt mind that but at the start its so annoying to see an enemy who just oh whoops.. 30 scout frigates.. like wtf? hes not even trying to use a feint to throw me off trying to build the counter. hes just RUSHING AT ME with 30+ frigates.. shit man i played proletari and he got up to 67 scouts. unfortunately for him he still lost but i mean really...... im all about balance but just straight up spam is garbage. well if we cant bring down its hp that much bring it
tbh all advent ships should follow this role.. HEAVY SHIELDING lower hull pts and armor. the solution to advent is this.. nerf the ilums hull pts down by... 150? 200? and lower its armor .5. ilums essentially become the advents HC which is simply out of place. they have 3 beams. 2 times the shielding a vas lrm 3 times the shielding of a tec lrm MORE shielding than a TEC HC and VAS HC which to me just sounds out of place.. My Solution... bring its hull points down 120 to balanc
because its now used as spam? ive lost a cap to mass scouts ok? that is just plain wrong.
im not saying ilum spam is good but wht im trying to get across is that everyone seems to just scout spam now. now as advent i dont spam ilums but i find it annoying this counter.. especially since scouts are ment to SCOUT and not compose the bulk of a fleet..
youre retarded prol. obviously we done get hit by our own missiles? or our own missile barrages? or our own cleansing brilliances? your argument is simply idiotic.
ok now lately we all know lrm rushing has come back to the forefront of early game warfare. however thanks to amish... people now scout rush. now originally this was fine. it was a bold new tactic to add in a little mix however players have begun to abuse it obsessively and in all honesty since when are wars won with scouts and not frigates? discuss
i do have one question however.... since we all know ilums use PRECISE BEAM WEAPONRY do tell me how a single strand of energy will spread damage to another ship through area of effect? jj the point of the matter is if you cant pump out your assailants fast enough thats your own fault. this entire thread to me sounds like a personal problem. we pay for the use of the best lrms in the game just like you pay for your hcs. the fact that we know how to abuse our units just like you
Seems to me JJ you have been losing a bit more to advents lately. im not impeaching upon your skill in any way shape or form. but we have adapted to you. but to my points. first.. ilums should not be nerfed. if you guys can get a discount of every single thing you build by the time i get ilums well... do the math? as vasari (and yes i can play vas.) the main thing you need to realize is that you arent a pound for pound complete match for advent and nor should you be. the stren
the "Destroy a fleet with the push of a button view" isnt exreme nor is it a stance. its a reality.
you joking? the death egg cant sit there and destroy thousands of credits the push of a button. and by thousands i mean literally 10s of thousands for the actual ships not to mention the other 10s of thousands for the research. the progen cant even compare tot he death egg not the mention the marza. your argument is incredibly flawed and biased. ask anyone here and they will tell you ALONE that the death egg is NO THREAT to a massive fleet. the progen alone is NO THREAT to a massive fleet. th
rofl. good one bro...
dante why not you learn to type proper english... its very hard to decipher your hieroglyphics.
well man... seeing as i didnt learn anything from you prol... and that i just walked you over...with your own tech as advent... and before as vas... :p -1 karma.
CAN SOMEBODY WRITE A REVIEW FORME PLZZZZZ0RZ
there is a cheaper solution however. you could do what ALL tec players do and rush for the lvl 6 marza. you set up star bases and pjis around your choke point and wait for him to attack. once he attks the sb bring your marza in for xp feed. once you hit lvl 6 you can sit back while he hides in fear from it and therefore you can mass a stronger technologically enhanced fleet at your leisure.. just dont lose the marza. this is an unorthodox move so dont rely on it too often as some will see rig
the problem with the counters is this. why does the TEC player have to go get a free capital ship with the potential ability to wipe out EVERYTHING and yes i do mean EVERYTHING in its path with the flick of a switch? the resource cost for you having to BUY the counter not to mention the research and necessary upgrades to diffuse the amt of dmg coming at you if per chance your antimatter isnt up to par yet? it costs thousands more resources to defend against a missile barrage than it does to a
yo man. can i get a slot?
how can i get a review?