[quote]The article is the story of an atheist's conversion...that science proved the existence of God to him. "So why has Flew changed his mind? The main reason, he says, is recent scientific work on the origin of life which he believes points to the activity of a “creative Intelligence”. As he explained to the 2004 symposium at which he announced his new beliefs to the world, his change of heart was “almost entirely because of the DNA investigations”.<br
AldericJourdain
[quote]Bad doctor or bad situation... many of them would just adjust you, however if the risk IS severe and you DO go to a chiropracter and he adjusts you than it COULD pop it back into place, or it could paralize you. In fact every chiropracter in the states i have seen INSISTED to take X-ray first and say that they refuse to touch patients where it seems "risky"... So if your all the real doctors say you can't, most likely the chiropracter will not do so either (or will and paralize you)...
For the record though - I tend to listen to my mother when she gives me advice.In fact, I often seek her advice, as well as advice from other elder individuals I know. Still, she knows that I really like my independance and knows full well that I understand and have accepted that I get to face the consequences of my actions, and so on. ~Alderic
[quote who="KFC Kickin For Christ" reply="21" id="2138150"]I know. You need to straighten up and fly right......[/quote] LOL N'ah, I prefer flying left. ;-p
[quote]you need to listen to your mother. She's right.[/quote] With all due respect, so you say; however, I believe otherwise. ~Alderic
[quote]Bull... people die all the time from not receiving surgury, from not receiving antibiotics, from not getting a stomach pump or a shot of insulin or any of the REAL medicinal needs.[/quote] I think we're missing each other here. I'm not saying Chiropractors can't fix things, on the contrary, I believe they can fix a fair number of things. I'm just trying to comment on those who are - in fact - frauds. [quote]NOBODY died, ever, nor will they die, of lack of chiropractic c
[quote]oh yes, so many people die from not receiving chiropractic treatment... why just last wednesday a man died from cancer that was curable with chiropractic adjustment. (note, at least that is what most chiropracters claim)[/quote] Likewise any other doctor can say the same thing. My experience with chiropractors has been simple: You've got a back/neck, et al. problem? We'll do what we can to fix it; if not, we'll refer you to someone who can. <p
[quote]Why not have the government tax everyone some more to fund a national massage program... ofcourse then massages are allocated based on "need", special interest, race, sex, city you live in, etc...[/quote] I would think that would be considered a luxury, not an essential to live. The government chooses to see a chiropractor as essential, under the guise of health. ~Alderic
[quote who="ParaTed2k" comment="8"] Ok, yeah, it was meant to make you laugh.. but also make you think. What has either party done that they haven't said was wrong when the other party does it? [/quote] Darn straight.
[quote]if everyone who's ever passed through ju got a dime each for each time someone has scheduled, however vaguely, the "end" using scriptural "clues", we'd all have as much chance at entering heaven as does a camel thru a needle's eye.[/quote] I concur. ~Alderic
[quote who="KFC Kickin For Christ" reply="15" id="2132410"] Here is an article I found interesting. Yes, it is. What did you find interesting about it? What spoke to you about this? Just curious. Yesterday, my husband and my son both unaware of each other doing it, sent me a Newsweek article called "The End of Christian America" by Jon Meacham. I thought that was pretty interesting but I'm not surprised. Anyone here on JU who has conve
[quote who="KFC Kickin For Christ" reply="24" id="2133902"]NEWSBREAK UPDATE! You're not going to believe this one........or maybe you should the way things have been progressing in government these days. When the bill came up for a vote, it was rejected with the idea that perverts would take advantage of this law. Well that didn't last. I guess the Speaker of the House put on a grand ol' speech dripping with emotion and they decided to re-vote. 
[quote]They better not be covered, we don't need to waste any MORE taxpayer money.[/quote] So you don't believe that a chiropractor should be covered because you don't consider it real medicine? [quote]They DO make it feel better, the moment after it was popped... then it feels WORSE later on. And with a bit of training you can learn to pop your own joins, but its just as bad as when a chiro does it for you.[/quote] I disagree. Like I've mentioned previo
[quote]Wow a liberal cat fight over chiropractors. Here's a thought, once Obama gets his national health care in place, you won't have to worry about chiropractors, I'm sure they won't be covered. You'll have to spring for that on your own dime. The waiting lines will be full enough with hypochondriac's getting their "fair share" of treatment, to bog it down further. The projected cost to the tax payer is enough to induce illness. [/quote] Cat fight? Please, far
A couple of smacks to the head with a baseball bat. lol jk I actually have luck with warm milk oddly enough. ~Alderic
[quote]They don't have an M.D. after their name. That's what I'm concerned about. They can straighten a spine, sure...but there are a lot of quirky philosophies they have and claims aside from just lining up your bones. There is no conclusive evidence that it's actually useful for anything. It's a stone's throw away from hocus pocus like homeopathy in my opinion. The only thing they can do is make your back feel a bit better, and even that may be placebo. Let's just say I have a healthy
[quote]Oh, he can do wrong. That DVD gift was a bad move. I mean, Bush had secret offshore prisons where people were tortured, but yeah...DVDs are a pretty bad gift.[/quote] Not necessarily. I love film/movies, and DVD's would be a great gift; now, about my wish list.... ;p
[quote]that is what i said, that it helps with osteoporosis... but is only needed by MENOPAUSAL WOMEN! And men definitely do NOT need any EXTRA progesterone.[/quote] From what I've read that is still under debate. [quote]But you are right, its pure conincidence that the 5 chiropracters i went to were all horribly inept. (they all had completely different technique too, even those who proclaim to be of the same school of the 12 different schools of chiropractice)
[quote]Never had a chia pet but I'd like one of these. Might be one of the few ways he can directly stimulate the economy.[/quote] Yeah, and they're taking away that opportunity. >_>
Oh, and actually no - I tried that. It may have felt good for the moment (especially with the massuse, lol ), but it didn't change anything.
[quote]April 9, 2009 19:02:47 [quote]they are real doctors Zoo.[/quote] They aren't medically licensed. It's alternative "medicine" plain and simple. You'd probably feel a lot better going to a masseuse. ~Zoo[/quote] Uh, actually no. They are licensured through a national agency; the Council on Chiropractic Education, which has its accreditations recognized by the US Dept. of Ed. They're also required to pass four exams, etc
[quote]No problem. I'm pretty good with words. It comes from years of BSing school papers. [/quote] Like what my rhetorics instructor says, "You can usually say what you want to say in any college level research paper with a single paragraph all the way up to two pages; the rest is just fluf, BS." ~Alderic
[quote]chiropracters only made things worse for me, plus I know more about medicine then any chiropracter i have seen to date. They adjust healthy individuals, children (soft bones, don't need adjustment), they claim it cures everything from cold to cancer (only thing it can cure is nerve pinching... and thats a big if, my experience is that it made things worse).. I mean fuck, the chiropracter association in my city is distributing progesterone to all the individual practitioners,
[quote who="Zoologist03" reply="14" id="2132193"] A chiropractor can fix that you know. I'll stick to real doctors, thanks. ~Zoo[/quote] I wasn't implying myself, and they are real doctors Zoo. ~Alderic
[quote]Society has this politically correct stick up its ass for the time being. Everyone's afraid of offending someone and some people set out to be offended. Just another iteration of latent fear and mistrust of other people that are different.[/quote] Thank you Zoo - you put into words what I've been thinking for a looong time, kudos.