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Reply to Marriage Under Fire in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]This is all showing us that our children need their parents. They need a mom and a dad that are committed to each other and love each other.[/quote] Very true words. But there are sadly enough examples out there to show that a marriage is not automatically a good marriage just because it is a man and woman who married. It questions the validity of your earlier statement somewhere that gave traditional marriage automatic moral value. If there are so many examples of how a marriage can

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I doesn't matter for the debate. But pederasty in ancient greece was a huge part of their culture and had it's own strict rules and social etiquette. I just thought it would be OK to know the correct term when talking about it and knowing what it actually was in its cultural historic context. It is arbitrary knowledge though, like an extended footnote.

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[quote who="ParaTed2k" reply="68" id="2433365"]Leuki, so if a pedophile lived in a society where it is not taboo, would that mean that sex with kids is normal for that person? If the society was one where people start having kids shortly after puberty, would sex between the pedophile adult and adolescent be considered harmful?[/quote] Leauki wrote: [quote]That's what it was like in ancient Greece.[/quote] What you are referring to is pederasty, which is not the s

Reply to Flu - A Little Walk Down Memory Lane in Politics JoeUser Forums

I honestly don't understand why people and the media treated this new strain of flu as if it were the newest deadliest form of biological warfare desease that somehow escaped a lab and is threatening the world (Outbreak, anyone?). Why the hysteria? Regular Flu kills thousands of people every year, it isn't something new that just sprung up. I am not a medical professional though, so my perception could be skewered. Hope your boy gets well soon.

Reply to Liberalism is Immoral in Politics JoeUser Forums

The defining difference is that the NSDAP controlled everything. If you weren't a party member or sanctioned by the party, you couldn't publish books, you couldn't be a teacher, professor, run your shop etc. The comparison doesn't hold up because it wasn't a private organization that endorsed a political party, it was the political party that killed the competition, quite literally. I am not exactly sure how unions work in the US. I skimmed the article, but it sounds like the NEA is a

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It sounds like im contradicting myself, when I am really just trying to say that it's not propaganda, that the song itself was harmless and probably not borne out of some government sanctioned program to indoctrinate the youngest generation but that the instrumentalization of children in that way for a political statement by their parents/teachers is unethical nontheless. But not evil.

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[quote who="Nitro Cruiser" reply="64" id="2432405"]utemia you didn't watch it through, otherwise you would have see another example. Nothing is evil until it is acted upon.[/quote] I watched it partially. If I had been there I would have seriously questioned what they had been doing because it is dubious to use children in that manner as they clearly are too young to know what they are singing about. It would be no matter if it had been about any other issue, but this song is con

Reply to Liberalism is Immoral in Politics JoeUser Forums

Unless President Obama ordered the schoolchildren to write a song of that ilk about him it is harmless. Euphoria makes people do funny things like writing songs about issues they feel very strongly about. And evidently they went overboard with it as shown in writing a nursery ryme like song about the sitting president. I agree with you that it sounds very well strange to hear kids sing it.. like children in North Korea or China singing the praise of Mao, but it is not an official sancti

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Satan did it. Easy as pie that answer.

Reply to Liberalism is Immoral in Politics JoeUser Forums

You are not suggesting? the BUT is all but shouted in the way you phrased your post. What parallels? Hagiographic songs about people are millenia old. There IS no institutionalized mandatory propaganda in the US (unless you count teaching democratic values and civil rights) - and there are no parallels. Cute songs about Hitler weren't what was harmful, it was rather the mathhomework about how much money it costs to keep an disabled child alive, the schoolbook illustrations on how Jews were al

Reply to Liberalism is Immoral in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote]Interesting theory[/quote]It wasn't so much a theory or an apology to that sort of behavior - it was a question as to what evil is. Children denunciating their parents to a dictatorship and thus getting their parents killed did what they did because they thought it was the right and just thing to do, not because they wanted their parents to be gone. I find it difficult to see them only as evil perpetrators, they are victims as well even though that does not automatically excuse them of

Reply to Liberalism is Immoral in Politics JoeUser Forums

That isn't indoctrination. It is a very weird hymn but I don't actually saw any indoctrinating content or harmful ideology in that song. The style is a bit reminiscent of communist propaganda songs.. I can't deny that and I probably would not have chosen the personification on Obama like that myself had I been the teacher, but the central themes are all very american and not especially liberal: Equality, Standing strong together and being proud to be an American. The focussing on his accompli

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That wasn't the issue here, though. Even if they resented it, it wasn't evil for them, in fact many enjoyed that time before WW2 as it brought stabilty and prosperity for the majority of people. It is a weird fact that they did not percieve the nazi ideology as evil nor that many thought that what the Nazi's were doing was not wrong. It's difficult to wrap my head around that on a good day, but Hitler was great at advertising and propaganda and he managed to sell his twisted crap. He

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Taltamir: I was referring to Hitler's contemporaries in Germany between the years 1933-1945.During that timeframe, if you were a party member and kept your mouth otherwise shut and said the right things in front of the right people, there were alot of benefits like a secure job, enough to eat (remeber that was the time after the great depression and huge reparationpayments following WW1) and a high living standard. If you were a good obedient little average citizen Joe - or in this instance F

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You forgot the rest of what I said regarding Hitler not being "evil" if you fulfilled certain requirements that fit into his ideology of pure blood and the arian race and a world where Germany goverend the rest of the world - that is why it was called the third Reich after all. Reich means empire or kingdom and that is exactly what he wanted to do, conquer the rest of the world and create the successor of the holy roman empire of the german nation (962-1806). That empire was the 2nd, the firs

Reply to Liberalism is Immoral in Politics JoeUser Forums

The problem is in deciding on what is right, practical and necessary. Good ole Kim Yong Il has probably a different idea about that then any american administration during the last 60 years.

Reply to Liberalism is Immoral in Politics JoeUser Forums

hahah yeah.. illegal immigrant so to speak :D No honestly I have fun at this site, even if I have a total different oppinion sometimes. I enjoy debates and mostly just want to know why someone thinks the way they do.

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As far as I recall, that is par for the course while talking about politics in the US - the making fun of each other and ridiculing and making snide comments. Every talk radio show, every anchor man or woman, breakfast TV, talkshow host etc. does it. I think it is immature but it is the way it is, and it is normal for you guys. I think I've stated it somewhere else that emotions get in the way of debating an issue sincerely most of the times and that it is a dangerous road to use emotions and

Reply to Liberalism is Immoral in Politics JoeUser Forums

I am confused.. what exactly are you two going on about? And what does it have to do wth the debate about good vs evil in politics or ideologies? I find that issue more interesting than you guys snarling at each other. Even though there is an entertainment value to it, maybe I should get popcorn for the next time I check JU lol. Cheers

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It wasn't the evilness of slavery that really started the civil war to end slavery, (and certainly not that little lady Harriet and her melodrama) it was economical issues. Agriculture in the South depended on slaves working the plantations, it was the economic backbone. So it had nothing to do with right vs wrong but rather was just a means to cripple the opposition. In this case it was also "good" in the end, but it took until the civil rights movement in the 50ies and 60ies to nominally en

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lol. Krieger = warrior. Der = masculine article and yes, german still has masculine, feminine and neutral n its grammar. So Der Krieger simply means the warrior. Sort of juvenile choice if you ask me, but so is infidel lol :D

Reply to Liberalism is Immoral in Politics JoeUser Forums

hah Tal.. good and evil? Wrong and right? Just who decides what that is anyway in your little concept of how things should be? Sounds like you would love to call Batman and Robin to the rescue against the "Evil" in the white house. I find it a bit absurd to use concepts like good vs evil while talking about political ideologies in the US or anywhere else in western countries. It would be refreshing to actually name what "evil" principles you detest and why and based on which philosoph

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made in Germany :)

Reply to Liberalism is Immoral in Politics Stardock Forums

Both extremes are bad. Liberalism AND Conservatism both lead to a form of livelyhood where only a few people are well off and the rest is supressed if allowed to go to extremes. I find it difficult to find only bad words or good words for both political ideologies. If a liberal state is left to develop freely it might very well end up in a dictatorship like government where free will is supressed for the greater good and a selected elite is exempt from the rules they lay down for the r

Reply to WAS IT PROVENCIALISM...OR IGNORANCE in Misc JoeUser Forums

I'll definitly watch out the next time I visit the US and pass through some smalltowns or counties. They'd probably triple the fine for foreigners.