DESADE666

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As usual no evidence from you, little understanding of history, all so black and white and based on BELIEF as opposed to fact. To be fair you do respond to some of my points but usually based on a misreading e.g. I never wrote that the crimes of the Nazis were done in the name of God. I wrote that the religious cannot use crimes by so called Atheists (though most of the German people were religious) as an excuse or modifier of the crimes committed by religious people throughout history. And y

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Lula, You say you believe in 'eternity'. You state unequivocally that the last four things a man or woman face are death, judgement, heaven or hell? How do you know these things ? The irony is that the only evidence you provide to support your argument is yet again a quote from a book written

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Lula 1. I do not believe in eternity. You misunderstand my point - I will try to be clearer. When I stated that you use assertion as fact I was referring to your use of the word ETERNITY as if describing a real, undeniable, evidenced thing and that we will all have to spend eternity with the bearded one or the horned one. I have no concern for eternity because I do not think it exists - I believe that we live on this earth and then it is all over for us when we die. That is why I have

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OK, one last post from me, I take the bait :-) First of all please feel free to label me as a humanist though if I was forced to label myself as anything it would be a socialist with anarchist tendencies. However, I am not trying to argue that humanism is right but that religion is a fabrication. Human relationships and the laws and rules of society can be constructed without the need for a supernatural being, and, even worse still, those who preach that they know the mind of God.

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lol

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Hello Lula you will persist in trying to portray 'humanism' as somehow 'religious' completely missing the point that a standard definition of religion is that it presupposes the existence of a controlling superhuman power but I'm happy to let that be because it really is difficult to make a point to someone who thinks that hair splitting and narrow responses equates to reasoned argument. I might add that I am also an anarchist and so do not believe in 'clubs&#3

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and it's a little arrogant of you to state that I have 'done things wrong', though I assume you actually mean 'done wrong things' but there's the pedant in me coming out... Of course a philosopher would have a field day with the word 'wrong' but then that's perhaps another debate...

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I don't believe in a creator.

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[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="111" id="3318595"] Quoting DESADE666, reply 109I do not believe in any religion Of course you do...you just don't know it or don't want to know it.[/quote] LOL, now that sounds to me a lot like the other great get out of jail free card that the religious often bandy about when faced with insurmountable evidence, you gotta have faith! Seriously Lula, perhaps when I am on my death bed I will want to engage in wishful

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Apologise for what I have done? I assume you mean if I have done things 'wrong'? As a humanist I have a moral code, though as an anarchist I don't need others to decide for me what that code will be. However, when I have hurt people unintentionally, or been an arse after a drink or two, or killed a stray animal then yes I would apologise... Strange question, almost as though you think that only those who believe in non-existant supernatural beings are capable of morality!

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[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="90" id="3292473"] Quoting DESADE666, reply 88I have the same attitude with each and every religion - why should someone's belief in the supernatural play a part in government? The courts have deemed Secular Humanism a Religion. And if you've ever read the Humanist Manifestos I and II, you will know exactly what their religious belief system is based. Why should the religious beliefs and dogmatic claims of Secular and Atheistic Humanism t

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I have the same attitude with each and every religion - why should someone's belief in the supernatural play a part in government? By the way I've always been fascinated by the way each and every religion claims to be the true faith. A few thousand years ago everyone worshipped the sun, the it was multiple gods then it became monotheism... so difficult to keep up!

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I have read this thread with interest, being one of those militant unbelievers who believe as Christopher Hitchens wrote in 'God is Not Great' that religion poisons everything. I was particularly interested in the postings around the idea that the US constitution guarantees the freedom to follow a 'zany' religion. As an outsider, being British I can't say that is the impression I get either in the States or in the UK. Let me give an example: you have a US based religion ca

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The problem is that it always seems to be the men who need to make an effort 'understanding their wife', 'listening to her needs', 'taking the initiative'. It's like if you visit a dating site. Women's profiles are really amusing in my opinion - large (let's be honest and write it, 'fat') women describe themselves as 'cuddly', 'a few extra pounds' and the like and they more often than not state that they 'only' want someone t

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First of all i accept that in some walks of life men still hold sway over women. I also accept that there is a sex entertainment industry and women are also still used as sex objects to sell products. However, I find myself increasingly infuriated that for many middle class males the role that they have to fulfill is homemaker, father, breadwinner but no longer lover. For many guys the first attraction to a member of the opposite sex is physical. Going beyond that, if there is a 'chemistr