In the Netherlands there are many rules to protect people. It's a matter of organization - if people in Bangla Desh would organize and demand better working conditions, then they will get the better conditions (employers have no choice). Of course they risk getting fired, because maybe the cheap factories will move elsewhere. Whether they want to take that risk or not, I think that is their own responsibility and not someone else's.
If Europe would open its agricultural market to the globe, the international competition would wipe out all of Europe's farms. There's no way European farmers can compete with cheap labor in other countries or with the large industrialized scale in the USA. European laws are also very strict and complex, making farming pretty expensive. And farmland in Europe is quite expensive (probably because of the subsidies). European farmers have a powerf
[quote who="Kantok" reply="1268" id="3421695"]You're telling me that inability to accurately and reliably predict the behavior of a subset of the global climate system in the short term doesn't imply anything about the reliability of those same people to predict the behavior of the entire system over the long term? [/quote] Yes, those are 2 different things. The long term trend doesn't have to deal with short-term effects, which are by their nature unpredictable be
[quote who="Turchany" reply="1257" id="3421576"]Oh and poor Norway would have winters 30°C colder than today.. I guess that is a difference.[/quote] I seriously doubt that. Norway gets its warmth from the western winds from the ocean. Unless the ocean completely freezes over all the way down to the North Sea, Norway will stay relatively warm because of the warm sea water. [quote who="Turchany" reply="1257" id="3421576"]My favourite is the one that says if we reach a specif
[quote who="Turchany" reply="1252" id="3421447"]A little bit? lol, I don't think you understand what the Golf current does.. It raises the temperature of vast territories in Europe.. And by several degrees. And if it is stopped, well, you can guess what will happen.[/quote] Is several degrees that much during winter? I don't think much will happen. Winters will get a few degrees colder, summers won't make much of a difference. But we already have warmer winter
I guess I'm a minority here, but I liked chapters I and II. They were nice, they had such nice bright colors and I really liked that. Many SF movies are dark and gloomy, like watching a black-white movie, but those movies were anything but dark.
[quote who="psychoak" reply="1237" id="3421283"]AGW isn't gravity. We can model gravity pretty damned well. We can't model our climate worth a damn. We take approximations, and match them to approximations just fine, but when they advance a few years into actual climate data, they're way off and diverging further with every year.[/quote] Well I've read this argument of yours and you know what - you read too much into details. Long-term predictions are NOT INTEN
Yes, some scientists say that, but there are always people like that, they are just being stubborn. If you look at Canada and Siberia, far away from the Gulf Stream, you see warming and melting of permafrost. There is just no way that ice sheets can start growing there, or anywhere on the planet under these conditions. Without the Gulf stream, temperatures will be a little bit colder in Europe. It's not like there's a cold Gulf Stream all of a sudden that will coo
[quote who="Turchany" reply="1246" id="3421400"]And don't say the measurements are faked all over the world because I will just laugh at that.[/quote] Well... that's exactly what they claim. [quote who="Turchany" reply="1246" id="3421400"]Noone knows when will the buried methane deposits come online and cause another glacial.[/quote] A glacial? They'll enhance the greenhouse effect, they won't cause a new ice age... [quote who="Turchany" re
They don't believe that because they think the temperature measurements are faked (because of the corrections for known biases). According to deniers, CO2 plays no role, because there are other processes that also change temperature. Perhaps they should look at the prehistoric data, those represent changes between greenhouse conditions and back, and those cannot be faked and those have no human influence (unless you believe that mankind walked with dinosaurs haha).</p
[quote who="petrossa" reply="1242" id="3421389"]CO2 rises, temperature lowers, climate quiets down[/quote] Except it doesn't work that way. Since the end of the last ice age, CO2 has risen from about 200 ppm to about 400 ppm, and temperatures have risen about 4 degrees celcius.
[quote who="myfist0" reply="1239" id="3421379"]The true definition of group think, your teachers obviously also believed this as well.[/quote] It's not group think... I've written that I don't trust politicians for example. I select whom to trust. Science is more trustworthy than for example politicians, because science is "designed" around reproducibility of results, and around discovering the "truth". Of course there are untrustworthy people&
[quote who="psychoak" reply="1237" id="3421283"]Evolution has been the dominant theory in explaining life on Earth pretty much since Charles Darwin came up with a hilariously poor explanation for the divergence of species.[/quote] The discussions about evolution are endless, I was in such a discussion years ago and I don't want to go into such a discussion again. It's just pointless, "intelligent design" has everything to with belief and absolutely not
[quote who="petrossa" reply="1232" id="3421210"]Negligible effect not no effect. A bit like a mosquito has on the skin of an elephant[/quote] Well then ... what kind of a CO2 increase would be noticeable, according to you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth 148,940,000 km 2 land For 7 billion people, that's 0.021 km 2 land for each person. I would say it makes perfect sense that humans are able to shape the surface of the earth any way they want, by their sheer numbers, helped by billions of animals. And s
I think most of those stories are just lies, the world is full of lies to justify all kinds of expenses... Super-movies use cutting-edge technology for example, and that costs enormous sums of money - why: because the software designers can charge that much, because the movie studio desires so much, and because the movie studio can make so much money off it. I wasn't talking about a completely new car... even a new model that doesn't differ much from a previous money c
[quote who="petrossa" reply="1222" id="3420906"]Nobody knows what the world will be like 100 years from now so its patently silly to even consider the beginning of an idea to 'influence' it. 100 yrs from now doesn't exist. It'll exist maybe then.[/quote] I don't agree with that. We have a mind, we use it to plan ahead ... for days, years, why not for 100 years ? The stakes are high. I've found this compilation of st
GM was a huge company and there was too much red tape. Unions were strong, leading to extra costs compared to competitors. GM also made a heavy bet on big cars, but that market crashed. GM has a large financial branch which supplied cheap loans (for cars) to people who couldn't afford it really. In short: GM was a mess. Things that I just don't understand about such companies in general is: why does it take 1 billion dollars to develop a
[quote who="smeagolheart" reply="36" id="3420562"]China gains wealth by not doing the things on this list. [/quote] Mainly the super-rich elite and corrupt government officials. The rest of the population has to work very hard for little money. They breathe filthy air and are not allowed to complain about it. They live in crowded megacities full of traffic jams, where it takes hours to travel a few kilometers. Fertile land is being destroyed by
[quote who="myfist0" reply="1220" id="3420524"]Canada is at 28% of total energy from fossil fuel, you're at 90%, maybe to save the planet we should open the dykes or raise your taxes triple of ours[/quote] I dunno about that, we import a lot of energy from Norway, Switzerland (water) and France (nuclear). But it's a bad, bad situation in the Netherlands yes. It's because we've a government that wants everything as cheap as possible so that they can fund their
[quote who="petrossa" reply="1218" id="3420498"]If you seriously believe they're going to 'invest' for a green fantasy of a comparatively extremely wealthy dude you need a reality check, big time. [/quote] I don't believe they will. That's why I've said earlier that it's up to the rich countries to develop a more sustainable infrastructure first. This will be the most difficult and expensive step. After 50 years or so, when the system has matured,&n
[quote who="Phil Osborn" reply="33" id="3420458"]As to the arguments about functionality, the basic agreement from the U.N. would specify that every country whose citizens would receive the money would have to agree not to take it from them, ever, at all, as verified by U.N. inspectors - or lose the next round of checks.[/quote] I don't think any dictatorship would agree with such terms, because it will mean an end to their position of power. Also, this doesn'
Yep. And that can only be fixed on a large scale. If every individual, town, province, or even country tries to invent its own way, then this will lead to an extremely inefficient use of resources. It'll lead to a ginormous waste of money to solve a problem which is already extremely costly as it is. Think about software, of many things. If every region will write its own software, how will those systems be able to work "as one" on a larger scale? I don't think they ca
To gain wealth, a country needs a good government, educated and motivated people, and good relations with other countries. Otherwise, it'll just not happen no matter how much money you throw at it.
Sorry, but uncoordinated attempts at "doing better" are useless and will result in chaos. That's already partly the case, with Germany investing heavily in solar energy, and at the same time stressing the Dutch energy grid with their power fluctuations... It's better if it's well thought-out, well-planned and coordinated between different countries on a very large scale (as far as possible of course). Otherwise all of this is doomed to fail before we even
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