I know... the Dutch government will have to give up a lot of income from sales of natural gas, but we can't expect the developing nations to develop a sustainable solution. That's up to the countries that have enough expertise and resources to pay for the enormous costs of doing that. But we'll have to start soon, it'll take 30 years or so to develop all of that and to restructure the economy. If we don't start soon, problems will j
Yes. I think it's really hard to find a solution. The only solution that I can see, is one where the "rich" give up much of their wealth. First step: the EU and the US, Canada, Australia develop an economy based on sustainable energy. Work out all the flaws and details, let the system mature. It will cost a lot of money. In the meantime, countries like China, India will keep on polluting and producing cheap power, so it will require a great sacrifice from the wes
[quote who="Turchany" reply="1197" id="3420113"]I just can't understand why are people this stupid. If we irreversibly destroy this planet, where will we go, what will we do?[/quote] People will try to survive by any means possible, no matter the cost. Genetically altered crops, underground cities, megacities at the poles, food rationing, artificial foods ... things like that and all of that will be really expensive. I think the cost of survival will be higher than the c
[quote who="myfist0" reply="1193" id="3419687"]In my personal experience, I found that the people that don't swallow the kool-aid from the IPCC or the MSM are a lot more active and aware of the environment, it is the nanzy-panzies that want to keep doing what ever they like and expect governments to fix the so called problems at everyone elses expence and not theirs.[/quote] I have no clue what you are talking about here. We're talking about possible mass-extinctions w
Many people lack the imagination to extrapolate our collective behaviour into the future. After all, it is a very abstract problem and many people are having trouble with simpler things like managing their money account. To most people, the problems of "today" are more important than the problems of "tomorrow" and as poverty grows, this will get just worse. I've read an article that there could be as many as 11 billion people by the year 2100. That means
[quote who="psychoak" reply="1157" id="3418542"]If I say the models are off by several hundred percent on the magnitude in change over the last decade, and in the wrong direction to boot, I get inane responses about how I'm not a scientist and they know better than me. The actual discrepancy between the models and current temperatures? The models are accurate because the IPCC said so, pay no attention to reality! Or maybe the odd "it's the Sun stupid!" like they haven't been claim
[quote who="Starbound_Dust" reply="6" id="3419421"]Start up speeds are not an issue if the computer is going to be left on for prolonged periods of time, it never gets switched off unless the power cuts, and is only restarted to install updates. I don't need a SSD[/quote] You should turn it off when you don't need it, a computer like that consumes a lot of power (even if idle, could be as much as 200W doing nothing at all). That way, you can save some money on your e
You forget the SSD disk! It's really important, you have to install windows on the SSD and then your computer will start up so much faster with it. Use a 256 GB sized one (because such a big one is faster than the smaller ones). Also, buy a big cooler with a big fan, to reduce noise (it looks like your system will need a lot of cooling). If you use the (small and cheap) stock cooler, and your system is running at full speed, then your computer wi
It's just getting worse and worse. The US, the EU don't give a damn about the planet. And now Japan, too. http://www.livescience.com/41236-japan-lowers-greenhouse-gas-goals.html Really, what kind of horrible disaster will it take before politicians take responsibility for the planet (and their own country) instead of always going for the (second) cheapest, short-term solutio
[quote who="Jafo" reply="1139" id="3417627"]Though I thought you'd had your last comment several times already[/quote] Yes ... it's a bit addictive. [quote who="ZombiesRus5" reply="1140" id="3417648"]And last but not least- somehow it's always the fault of the USA.[/quote] Yes. For a long time the biggest polluter in the world. The biggest economy. The biggest army. Fought most wars of the last century. A completely self-centered foreign policy. So nat
Well... the political system is part of the solution. Someone said action in WW2 by the US was only taken 2 years after the start of WW2. So there was this huge war that affected half the world, and it still took 2 years of bickering before the US stepped in. To be honest, I think governments won't take action before something really bad is going to happen because of global warming. Is it ok to discuss what kind of disasters will be required before action is finall
[quote who="Turchany" reply="1133" id="3417597"]But you have to agree the age we are now in is not a bad era[/quote] Yes I agree. [quote who="Turchany" reply="1133" id="3417597"]they will just follow the ones that promise them the most..[/quote] That's a problem yes. So we should start with education. But education is also "political". Like politicians who want "intelligent design" to be taught next to evolution theory. And people like psychoak who
Yes, but the other end of the spectrum is also bad. Placing wealth in the hands of only a few causes other kinds of problems. In Europe, the industrial revolution led to incredible wealth in the hands of a few industrialists. In the US too (in the roaring 20s). It caused lots of problems. China also suffers under the abuse of an elite. Are we going to end up like China, or like the 20s again, or like the times of the industrial revolution again (w
The US is controlled by a small elite of millionaires who have only their own self-interest in mind. (In theory it's a democracy, but it's a democracy where you can only be elected by the backup of very large sums of money, and it's a "democracy" where you can win an election by spreading ridiculous lies to the people... well that's not really how a real democracy is supposed to work) It's not surprising that the 2% elite in the US has gotten ever richer in th
[quote who="Daiwa" reply="1120" id="3417383"]1. We're so selfish you're not currently a subject of the Third Reich. You're welcome, BTW. 2. Your facts are off (surprise!) - China currently holds the CO2 title and our CO2 contribution has been decreasing.[/quote] 1. Yes, the US was very nice back then and I am very grateful for that, but times have changed a lot. 2. You're right, it's almost double that of the US. Gosh, I knew they produced a lot,
Defense grid is awesome of course, and the super-grinder modes are nice too (I played this game a lot). Prime world: defenders is also a nice game (I played this game 2 times - it's a bit simple the second time but the card-upgrade system is ... different. And you've to choose which kind of towers to upgrade, you can't upgrade all of them otherwise it takes too much time). The Bridge is a f
Yes it was sarcasm. The only celebrity I take seriously is Schwarzenegger... because he's an American from Europe ... and because he has defeated lots of cgi-animated robots and saved the world more times than I can count ... one more time shouldn't be a problem for him ^^ This mentions the ultimum game: http://ariresearch.org/new-economy/the-psychology-o
Yeah... each is waiting for the other, blaming the other and nothing ever happens. Shame really, we are humans because we have a good mind and we can predict the future... but in a democracy that future is a mere 4 years. The following is truly absurd. There's not only ridiculous things going on on the denial side, but also on the other side. <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/09/27/100-million-examples-of-global-w
[quote who="psychoak" reply="1108" id="3417071"]This is more a matter of common sense. People have to show the usefulness of their job if they want to stay employed.[/quote] To some extent this is true... there's a lot of more-or-less useless science going on, and yes sometimes it is just to keep a researcher busy for a while. But that doesn't mean that all of it is useless - there's actually a lot of cool stuff being done... like 10% or so is useful and the rest is .
Oh that :) I don't know if 16 million people will all fit in there. Well... maybe by that time there's going to be cheap space travel, we can all move to the Moon, no worries about the sea or about climate change there. We Dutch used to be very good at colonizing, maybe we can put our experience to good use.
Yeah... well just look what happens if all the ice melts. Most of the antarctic will be flooded as well ... http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/rising-seas/if-ice-melted-map It's a neat map. You can view all the contents (and Europe too).
Ok... there are a few smaller ones in Canada, Alaska, Norway... but they are extremely small compared to Greenland (or are they not ?). I wrote that in context of the Ice Age Glaciers which were huuuuge and spanned thousands of kilometers and had enough capacity to influence the Gulf Stream by massive melts. The second picture from this page shows a relation between glaciation and low levels of CO2. http://en.wikipe
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