[quote]Perhaps they should have put those campaign contributions back into the company where it might have done some good, or better yet reserve it for employee's that would be affected by layoffs.[/quote]Unreal. Unions are a legitimate political funding group. UAW was outfunded by auto companies that contributed to the Republicans.
Mustangs will never become classics--they're a dime a dozen--unless Ford stops making them.
[quote]Having babies, taking drugs, and dropping out of highschool are not choices "thrust" upon them [/quote]They definitely are in very poor neighborhoods; at early childhood they, except for the very gift, are not open to these choices. It's not a question of liberals feeling good but to pressure those in power to work positively in easing conditions in horrible locales. May I say?--more generous "community organizing." <img class="mceIcon" src="https://forums.joeuser.com/js
[quote]even if that meant working at McDonalds full time while still looking for a more permanent job.[/quote]You might as well resign to flipping burgers then because it's tough to find a good job if not seeking full time.
[quote]Is your support really so fickle steven?[/quote]No, not fickle, rather conditional--there are always qualifications and contingencies.
[quote]The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results, and that is exactly what is happening here[/quote] They have changed dramatically over the years, including UAW. You can't fault them for satisfying dumb consumers for wanting gas guzzlers. [quote]Maybe that should be the first lesson learned upon reorganization - spread out.[/quote]Yes, including Wall Street.
Sodaiho , neat idea.
No links other than my weird imagination. Since Obama is more into basketball the number will probably be on tank shirts.
[quote]But it is MY soul that is doing the coercing. [/quote]Yep, you dig soul, man--all the power to you.
[quote]Choosing to remain out of work because the government will continue to give you assistance is a hand out.[/quote]Unemployment insurance a hand out? Skilled employees have no choice is what you're saying--they should take the first minimum wage available. You want to put us right back in the position of millions during the Depression.
Granted, the Big Three is in dire straits and the temptation is to let them pass on. Still, many horses though weak are worthy to be served—the millions or so grazing in the auto industry fields. What to do with the 10,000 dealerships and their employees, the auto parts stores in every community, the hundreds of thousands on the assembly line? The stock answer too big too fail. Notwithstanding the predilection nationwide to bash unions it is unfair to place all the blame on the
[quote]I definitely pity whomever is at such a terrible position, but does that mean that people should not live with the results of their choices? that there is no personal responsibility?[/quote] A set up for wholesale abortion. I say, a little wealth spread around is nbot going to hurt.
[quote]"spreading the wealth" is a hand out.[/quote] What's the hand out determinant of Katrina, earthquake victims, the unemployed and the downtrodden of plumbers stuck in cesspools? [quote]I believe that is my Christian duty, not a coerced one.[/quote] Religious conscience is coercion imposed by the soul.
[e digicons]X|[/e] [quote]the Magna Carta, that applied to nobility only[/quote] And our Senate.
[quote]I disagree, minimum wage can prevent exploitation with pretty well no negative impact on unemployment or inflation. It's only if you set the minimum wage too high that you get real problems.[/quote] To a point I agree; for instance, had a wage raise index been geared to CEOs raises since Reagan those at the bottom would be making about 55 grand a year.
[quote]but they went out with a bang.[/quote] In a way, but not quite, though when Studebaker inherited the incredible Hawk for a spell [e digicons]:waaaa:[/e] they did.
[quote]I think Brad explicitely stated that several places in other threads![/quote] Oh, yeah, many times without ever admitting that the choices people make are thrust on them by their ability or lack thereof while the splendidly gifted like Brad and Barack are presented with high grade choices.
[quote]Most of all, be thankful that the man who has to deal with this mess and make some very unpopular decisions is from the OTHER party, as this situation is going to be one hot potatoe!!![/quote] Pretty much what Hoover followers said in '32. Obama is going back to the economic basics of producing real things.
So, it's screw the 2 million plus spinoff jobs just to kill UAW, eh? Most of us wouldn't know what the middle class was without the dedication of unions.[e digicons]:beer:[/e]
Number 44 is no longer exclusively yours! 44b jerseys will now be in fashion.
This discussion is not worth a blown artery. We'll never agree: you're a true political Darwinian and I believe governance includes giving a helping hand.
[quote]Dude, chill out. I mean if this kind of venting makes you feel better then have at it, I hope it helps, but if you're at all serious you're in major danger of bursting an artery. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Geez.[/quote]Well said. There's simply no point to jessel's jeremiad.
[quote]Packard! Richard you're showing your age! Most people here will think your talking about Hewlett Packard or Packard Bell.[/quote] Yeah, I'm a sentimental old fart.[e digicons]:inlove:[/e] [quote](What's with the copyright?)[/quote] It's an old story--simply protection from misuse.
[quote]Even after the all the evidence - pre and post election - is shown that he did win.[/quote] Thanks to the stupidity of Palm Beach election officials he "won."[e digicons]>:([/e]
[quote]"Just to stay even with where I am, I'd have to fire three more people or raise some prices and fire two."[/quote]That's the way small business operates; most, however, is smart management doesn't feather bed and needs his employees and will if he has to raise prices.[e digicons]:pig:[/e]
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