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Reply to Rampant Racism on the Left in Politics Stardock Forums

"Before barney Frank and maxine waters did their dance with Fannie and Freddie, and their extortion with the banks, it had no teeth" It still has no teeth. All it does is require banks to do some lending in the same areas in which they have branches if they want to merge. "It is on the organizations web site. That makes it theirs" Really? Even though their site explicitly states that it is not their list but simply a post from one of their forums

Reply to Rampant Racism on the Left in Politics Stardock Forums

"Adbusters, the radically anti-semetic bunch of very sensible people" Don't think so. Left wing anti consumerism environmental group....Anti semetic I don't think so. Have no idea where you get that kind of misinformation from unless you just make it up.

Reply to Rampant Racism on the Left in Politics Stardock Forums

"Congress forced it with the CRA" EVERY administration since it was first passed supported it. It's just another part of the whole ball of wax. You may think it is a bad law and think it was a major cause, however the vast majority of bad loans have been NON CRA subprime loans and non CRA business loans. Loan standards were eased way too much that is obvious, but that was not something that was FORCED by CRA. "But the Derivatives

Reply to Rampant Racism on the Left in Politics Stardock Forums

"People on Wall street don't make laws or create policies"' But they did create the vehicle (derivatives) which caused the real estate estate bubble to swell as big as it did and ultimately implode. And they do help craft laws and policy......they employ quite a few people on K Street.

Reply to Rampant Racism on the Left in Politics Stardock Forums

Unfortunately there is plenty of racism and bigotry coming from both sides of the spectrum. Neither has a lock on this nor hypocrisy. "America is in this predicament because the American left (Clinton/Summers) repealed the Glass-Stiegel act and backed GATT" It was repealed at a time when the republicans controlled congress...both parties are to blame for that one. But repealing the Glass-Steagall Act was o

Reply to 27 of 50 and Counting in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote]Sometimes it is just more fun to be amazed[/quote] No...the fun comes out of being amused not amazed. The more you learn about the political process the more amused you become as you see how hypocritical both sides are and how outrageous the spin is from all the pundits.

Reply to 27 of 50 and Counting in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote]One thing I will never understand is how his State is suing against the bill yet he stands firmly in favor of it and did not lose his seat or is not scared to lose it. It simply amazes me.[/quote] Then maybe you should learn something about politics instead of believing all the pundits and maybe just maybe you will understand why instead of being amazed.

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]you will - I do not trust them to be so rational[/quote] I do not trust politicians either, but I have faith in our system. I have seen this kind of thing over and over and over.

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]can;'t stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen. The attacks on members of congress is far lower (rate wise) then the attacks on a citizen in a big city. And they are SUPPOSED to be PROTECTING us.[/quote] That's it in a nutshell. So I'll let them scream and yell, and let them politic like they always do, and I'll sit here and laugh at it like I always do. But I won't let them whip me into a frenzy because this type of thing will happen again. Maybe the talking heads will

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]but Clyburn. That is how you are being disingenuous.[/quote] I'm not being disingenuous about this either. Up to this point the only things I've heard from Clyburn is that he doesn't think he should be subject to having his junk grabbed at the airport like the rest of us and he wants the fairness doctrine reinstated. Fact is these guys are scared and I don't blame them. They've had their offices vandalized and get a continuous stream of threats. In my opinion they helped cause

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]left-wing extremists said horrible things about Bush, but they only came from fringe people[/quote] Oh no. Bush got bashed by more than just the fringe. Some criticism was warranted but a lot wasn't. [quote]Roger Ailes as much as admitted that people on his network have been going too far.[/quote] No he did the right thing on this one. He said lower the rhetoric a bit and use more intelligence in their debate. Hopefully the others follow suit.

Reply to Carter Squared in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote]Chicken and the egg[/quote] Not really. Take the TEA Party out of the equation. If they hadn't come to exist what do you think the magnitude of the swing would have been? I would guess fewer libertarians would have gotten elected but i don't know whether all of those seats would have ultimately gone to republicans since a lot of the fervor was to get rid of incumbents.

Reply to Carter Squared in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote]While being a governor is no guarantee of a good president[/quote] What I meant was that it is easier to see what a governor stands for as opposed to a legislator. There is so much spin applied to legislators voting records when they run for office. For example someone may vote against a version of a bill because of one specific piece of it and then others will use that to spin it to mean something else or that the person stands for something other than what he or she truly sta

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]you are being disingenuous. Arrested? not under current law[/quote] Of course not. I'm not the one who said : [quote]trumpeting accusations of accessory to murder[/quote] So really now who is being disingenuous? [quote]but they are already proposing laws to circumvent or abrogate the 1st Amendment so that they can arrest you[/quote] If you're talking about Robert Brady that is just one individual with a knee-jerk idea. Do y

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]they are trumpeting accusations of accessory to murder [/quote] That's a bit extreme. Maybe there are some in the blogoshere or on radio doing this, I haven't seen it but it may be there. I haven't seen in the media or from any politician or any mainstream political group that anyone other than the shooter should be arrested. [quote]advocating stifling the political speech of completely innocent people[/quote] They are simply advocating to step the rhetoric down

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]Ah, but that's just it. Only one side is attempting to publicly judge a group[/quote] That is incorrect. You as well are applying to a group what certain individuals are saying. People do speak for themselves. If somebody points a finger at somebody who has the same viewpoint as me I don't automatically think that they are talking about me. [quote]I'm voicing my opinion about the people actually doing the smearing, not attempting to stifle their political beliefs or sp

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]in the world of repugnant moral relativism presently occupied by the craven & shameful left[/quote] There is just as much of this on the right as well. So maybe you should learn to judge individuals as individuals and learn not to point fingers in defense of pointed fingers.

Reply to Carter Squared in Politics JoeUser Forums

[quote]elected not because of what they stand for - but because of perfect storm of events.[/quote] That's what you get when the choice is between two legislators as opposed to Governors. It's hard to sift through how voting records are spun to get as clear a picture as the record of a governor. [quote](if they had helped, then the long terms would be wrong)[/quote] If they have hurt then the long term would be wrong also? A lot of what he did is meant for the long ter

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]The concept of 'collective culpability' underpinning their argument is complete bullshit.[/quote] If you are pointing to my reply you have seriously misunderstood it. In layman's terms what I mean is that there are way too many things going on in the world and so many sources of media that you can't simply point a figure at any individuals (other than the shooter). In other words this guy took millions of pieces of info from people, tv, music, the web, whatever, etc. and his br

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]I think Sarah Palin has to answer why she put REp Giffords district at "crosshairs".[/quote] Why? So that the hard left can use it to their political advantage? This kind of thing could have happened to a rep on either side. Both sides need to look within and find a way to lower the rhetoric instead of continuing to manipulate situations to point a finger the other way. The level of anger and rage in this country can not be faulted to one person. There are way too many individu

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]Reading it and understanding it is somewhat different than listing it on a reading list as a favorite[/quote] It certainly is. But putting in into a favorite list alongside a lot of science fiction and fantasy novels might tell you something even different. Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The C

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]Marx and Engels hardly strikes me as conservative reading. No conservative I know would list the Communist Manifesto on their reading list[/quote] They should be. Then you would know what you are voting and fighting for.

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

[quote]So yeah, call for violence came from the right.[/quote] The problem is not that it is a call for violence. It isn't. It's meant to be a call to rally certain people to vote a certain way. Unfortunately the pundits either don't understand or care that there are people on the fringe who don't think rationally and take it as something different from what it really is. There are people and groups on both sides that stir the pot this way. I'm surprised this kind of thing didn'

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

His book list was far more than just those 3 books. A lot of anti government stuff from both ends of the spectrum. He got in trouble with the law, several times starting at a young age. Then he was rejected when he tried to enlist in the military. This guy hates law enforcement, the government, and has probably seen a psychiatrist or two over the years. This guy's "political" persuasion is "mentally unstable".

Reply to Horrific News in Current Events JoeUser Forums

I took a look at what was supposedly his MySpace page before it was taken offline. Lots of anti government rambling and just straight rambling. Might as well throw out all the political labels on this, although I'm sure the blogosphere will have "fun" with it from both sides....This is a sick kid with a troubled past who may have been exposed to a bit too much of the crap coming out certain professional pundits and extremist idiots. Really sad day in any case. Congresswoman Gifford's is about