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[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="22" id="2934597"]My observations are my own, thank you. [/quote]I see ... along with all the facts you are so want to not use. I just fail to see how anyone can present their arguments with terms like idiots and point whore and well... you are not looking for discourse, you are looking you someone to discourse on... and I just do not do well with people who like to throw shit and pretend they are factual and produce nothing but rhetoric ... not well at all.
Whiskey144 – The Bible - the sacred book of the Christian (whatever) religion. I and several billion people around the world think differently about you’re ‘the truth’ is all?
myfist0 – Great movie! There were several things I had not considered (there is so much) but are crystal clear to me. It is typical that those demanding facts and figures and proof are really only interested in their own. But I have not seen their facts and figures because they are sparse at best. If these people are so mentally isolated they cannot even sit back and re-evaluate things they thought to be true considering the evidence available … well they are not here for clarifi
[quote who="Zeta1127" reply="139" id="2934627"]Saddam Hussein did have WMDs before the invasion, he used them on both the people of Iraq and Iran back in the 1980s when the US government made so many foreign policy blunders. Tell me their isn't something wrong with the current bin Laden death business when they can't even get their facts straight.[/quote]The call to war in Iraq was made on the back of 9/11 and was promoted on the nuclear lie and the al-Qaeda/bin Laden lie. Not chemica
myfist0 - It is typical that those demanding facts and figures and proof are really only interested in their own. But I have not seen their facts and figures because they are sparse at best. If these people are so mentally isolated they cannot even sit back and re-evaluate things they believe to be true considering the evidence available … well they are not here for clarification, go figure. [quote who="myfist0" reply="137" id="2934616"]I have never read the bible but I can tel
Mystikmind - Most understood little initially after 9/11 … only what the USG said. Don’t you remember all the neocons repeatedly stating that there can be no doubt that Saddam has WMD’s and that they had unimpeachable PROOF? Doesn’t sound like a guess or supposition to me? Take WMD’s out of the equation for the rush to war … and there wouldn’t have been a war. It all stems from the events of 9/11 and there is only one question. Do you believe in the
SivCorp – What I tried to point out was that these items are politically unsolvable as our current madness so amply demonstrates. These are issues that affect all our people not any half or part of them. If you want to fight GW, then you fight GW not each other. You believes in abortion (selfish, uneducated, lacking moral fortitude) or you don’t but it will not be solved in the political arena. None of this was intended to be argume
Leauki - Viva la revolution! Until Americans look inward for a lot of their answers, they will continue to blame everyone else for the ulterior motives and actions of the USG … of which most people are clueless. Are you implying that you are a bad person? I agree ideology is little more today than someone else’s direction … sort of like theology where outside the loop views, opinions and questions are not tolerated or even acknowledged as anything besides hypocrisy or some
[quote who="SivCorp" reply="129" id="2934301"]Here is a list to get you started on what I find problematic on this "documentary." I had already done my research a long time ago on this topic.... I wonder why it is surfacing now? More political propaganda perhaps?[/quote]Since this is the second time you referenced this article I downloaded a copy but have only been able to quickly scan it … but I saw several things that I can refute using Moore’s funny little film and do not need
Sinperium - Great post! As a simple answer to most of the concerns you mentioned ... the USG Department of No-Education comes to mind. It would seem that there are more important things than giving our children a practical education, go figure. I would be happy if they would teach R-R-R's and common sense ... and left the social programming of the children to the parents. I do not think many adults today are going to become un-brainwashed from anything the USG would do … afte
[quote who="Leauki" reply="94" id="2934074"]The archbishop stated: "If there are violations of human rights, I cannot use the same method to stop them. As a Christian I have to use peaceful methods, first of all dialogue."[/quote]Lula, these were his words ... and you are manipulating them … why? … To what ends? Maybe this will help here? [quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="92" id="2933366"]"I certainly do not want to interfere with the political activity of anyone, but I have
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="97" id="2934174"]Good response. You can see how many of the Obama apologists (using his name is only grouping them since he gives a face to the movement) want everything to be America's fault. And they will prove it through the 7 degrees of separation. Nothing will change their mind just like no one can convince the truthers of 9-11. They believe because they hate America.[/quote]You are so cavalier with the use of the term “because they hate America&rdquo
[quote who="Leauki" reply="93" id="2934073"]I guess most people who are worried about Africa seem to think that the single most important thing they can do to help is to convince American patriots that their belief in the ultimate good in American government is stupid. But how does that help???[/quote]Africa holds no dear spot in my heart ... but the people (all) do. That is what is wrong ... the morality of the country. If there were something of value in Darfur ... our USDA humanitarianism
myfist0 - The most difficult hurdle I had to cross was the ingrained patriotism I have felt since the concept became meaningful. I just couldn’t accept that an American president would collude with a (fictitious) enemy. I might not have changed this opinion had the USG made rudimentary attempts at honesty and transparency. In this mixed up mess we find ourselves, it seems that transparency has been bastardized to mean whatever the USG says … end of story. Once this patriotic
With all the nonsense going on, it never occurred to me to check YouTube, thanks myfist0. This is a documentary opposing the USG's story of the events from the 2000 election through 9/11 and to Iraq . . . It is almost 2 hours long, anti-governmental in scope and delivered with typical Moore sarcasm. Fahrenheit 911 - Bush cheated in the 2000 election and the full length movie [video]http://youtu.be/chj5R0Izt9s[/video]
[quote who="Daiwa" reply="114" id="2933976"]No, just fools. Intelligent people can be wrong. And foolish.[/quote]Don't you consider yourself intelligent ...
Whiskey144 – Now I understand this troll business, thanks for the update though. I knew there was little intelligence behind this nonsense and now I understand why … just like a child. I thought I was the troll, hehehe so have fun in your excursion into stupidity, it's where you belong.
myfist0 - A documentary called Terrorstorm by Alex Jones is quite informative too. It is of broader scope but centers on terrorism. [video]http://youtu.be/vrXgLhkv21Y[/video]
Whiskey144 - Now I understand this nonsense. Your screen name, your name calling, your tangents to nowhere, your lack of civility and understanding and reason, your inability to research anything and your demands for others to do the research for you, your proclivity for fantasy games the whole gamut of nonsense … reminds me of my son, strange that. You must be the product of the government’s un-education system that is producing our own doom as we speak and probably w
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="31" id="2933550"]We understand our disordered nature through reason and our use of free will. Reason can detect man's disordered nature and through freedom of will, we commit evil actions (sins) or good actions. Free will gives us the power of self-chosen good actions, also carries with it the risk of self-chosen bad actions.[/quote]It would be nice if you could see fit to allow me the use my powers of reason and free will ... b
RogueCaptain - Word it any way you want to, this semantics thing is getting old. I never set out to prove god didn’t exist , I tried to prove he does … and couldn’t. Now, if I was unable to prove his existence, how in the world am I supposed to prove he doesn’t? There is no other way for me to word it besides god doesn’t exist in my mind anyway. Now how this requires some kind of
As I believe the war turkey shoot in Iraq is as unjust as things can get, I place the impetus for it on the 9/11 Bush conspiracy. That is why I have done so much investigating there. I thought there were many poignant points in the movie but the statements made by Bush, Rice and Powel as to the existing conditions in Iraq in late 2000 and early 2001was one and this little bit of info should have sufficed to prevent the war from starting
[quote who="Whiskey144" reply="73" id="2933571"] Further, me figuring out for myself is not the naffing point of a debate; you are supposed to convince me that my view is wrong and yours is correct. Not for me to prove my own naffing view wrong. You fail at basic debating and rhetoric.[/quote]I am sure you could if you tried. I can easily prove most of your facts are in error … hum, did you give any facts at all? From
Sinperium – I am as open to debate as most, but if you noticed there is no such thing going on here, just a lot of talking points and whatnot. The Middle East has been unstable for, well forever. References to “if Saddam were here” are meaningless because we would not be having this discussion otherwise. I do not think much of this stuff about aluminum tubes is accurate &he
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