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What a classy ad hominem attack, mixmagic.
You don't spec to 1v1 so you lose 1v1. Get over it, a straight up hammer build is not the ideal 1v1 spec, it thrives on healing support.
Quoting lifekatana, reply 52
As does UB.
Everything Hammerrook has, UB has too.
Everything Hammerrook has, UB has too.
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Quoting nzac, reply 49
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Only sedna and rook can really go head to head against a good UB and win, in the early game, the others just get out damaged.
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Quoting MixMagic, reply 50
i only do rook hammer/boulder/stats and i struggle vs ub its so much easier just to go ub and own the newb. as mostly newbs play ub cause imo hes OP...like i said OP ...obsenator dont reply to me as im over ur diarhea drivel.
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Not shure if you ment to quote me but in my opinion rook needs towers (II) to compete early game.
Slam is for minions and 2vs2s or larger, the damage is not that good 1vs1 (only hitting 1 target, and missing out on 1 and bit AAs) unless you taking out minions as well, (i like slam vs minion builds). Slam is not at all a deterant to a good ub health stack and will be grasped once you get bulder roll so he can cant just run away from it. With no minions to dersperse damage from it tower farms make far more sence as a UB counter. (MixMagic US games generally finish quicker than AUS games so towers not scaling late game may not matter as much.) UB has a few more counter in 2vs2 as apart from grasp (and ooze) his abilitys dont help allies as much as other demigods can.
Even if it would pleased me, I don't think Rook has to be boosted. He's enough powerful this way.
I don't know in a 1v1 duel (level 10) between pure Slam rook and hybrid UB, who will usually win; it depends on player's skills of course, but skills being equal, I'm not sure. By level 15, UB will of course have advantage but mainly because Acclimation is really OP.
Rook has an advantage on UB. He's better in 3v3 (and more) chaotic melee. Slamming one opponent is cool (+2000 damages); slamming two is really great (+4000 damages); slamming three, altough rare, will change the tide of battle (+6000 damages). These numbers not including potential minions. UB's Ooze is great also in multi-melee but no comparaison to that huge damage.
Slam is not at all a deterant to a good ub health stack and will be grasped once you get bulder roll so he can cant just run away from it
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Interrupting Boulder Roll (0,4 sec) is really difficult and most often matter of luck. If, anyhow, you succed, you will have no stun for interrupting Hammer and getting close to Rook become dangerous. +1700 damages is much, even for UB.
Death no. An UB will always come out on top AND is faster AND more usefull for ganks AND waaay easier to play.
when the demon assassin comes in i think he'll be able to teach ooze ub a lesson 
Rook sitting in a tower farm can already brutalize any other DG 1v1. Only high level oak and UB have a shot at it, and the UB needs to be level 15+ to gut tower damage with acclimation. Most rook players I see end up with goofy builds that make no sense so they get a much poorer sense of rook's ability to hold onto an area of the map. When people get Structural Transfer and have to wait for level 18 to max out hammer slam, that's a mistake. When people get tower III and then stop leveling towers in favor of stats or slam, that's a mistake (tower IV is absolutely critical for mana management if you intend to both tower and slam), when people skip Trebuchet and have to keep placing towers in dangerous places to advance on a base, that's a mistake.
I don't know what builds you people are using, but if you can't hold back a UB from levels 1-15, especially one who gets anklets of speed or early boots or whatever exactly you mean by gearing to chase people, you're doing it wrong.
I don't know what builds you people are using, but if you can't hold back a UB from levels 1-15, especially one who gets anklets of speed or early boots or whatever exactly you mean by gearing to chase people, you're doing it wrong.
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true. i'm no pro, but he's right about it.
i only do rook hammer/boulder/stats and i struggle vs ub its so much easier just to go ub and own the newb. as mostly newbs play ub cause imo hes OP...like i said OP ...obsenator dont reply to me as im over ur diarhea drivel.
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that is very bad rook; its hard to win with it against computer (dont even mention good human player), but with all towers asap, and hammer from about 11-15, i am GODLIKE!!! (against comp only, but always! - nightmare easy then 
Let me add that i also think that stats suck (moral also), i never ever get them (only if rook on 20 lvl -one stat!), and i would personaly like that they are removed completely from the game (or at least improved, but i'm more for first), cause they are really bad, & why we need another copy? (like dota have stats so should Demigod). I would rather like (without stats) additional 5 more levels (with of course bit easier leveling to compensate) so that we could have more skills taken, cause there arent actually much different demigod builds as option, its jus an illusion (for average players) while top players always go the same build (the best one), max. two kind of builds; it is just the matter of 'picking order' (which is again, at top players, ussually the same). (And for me the skills(& originality of them and characters) are what defines the game, so they should be the center, and the main reason what wins the game(of course with proper tactics and timing) and not the items! Items are OP (the higher ones from artifact shop), but i dont want to talk about it now, and it deserves more time.
Quoting gkrit, reply 57
when the demon assassin comes in i think he'll be able to teach ooze ub a lesson
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Quoting obscenitor, reply 59
Quoting gkrit, reply 57when the demon assassin comes in i think he'll be able to teach ooze ub a lesson I would wager pulling rook out of tower farms is going to be more devestating than whatever he does to UB.
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This
Also, stats are amazing on beast, reg, and any general with a minion build.
Did you take the time to read what they actually do?
Also, stats are amazing on beast, reg, and any general with a minion build.
Did you take the time to read what they actually do?
Did you take the time to read what they actually do?
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yes, and they are easily beaten with just one good item
- +115 Health 6 skills for: +690 Health
- +0.18 Health Regeneration +1.08 Health Rege.
- +2% Attack Speed +12% Att Sp
- +25 Armor +150 Armor
- +105 Mana +630 Mana
- +0.32 Mana Regeneration +1.92 Mana Rege
- +6 Weapon Damage +36 Weapon Dam
moral is better, but still not good enough imo
Whats this obsession of people with stats... they're absolutely horrible.
Yes towers CAN beat an Ooze UB, but CastleRook has a whole slew of his own problem. I don't see how a slow character that can't make a single kill vs non-retard players is even remotely as usefull as a super fast character that can only be sort of countered by some very specific builds. Note that "countering" just means standing up against UB, not beating him.
Just for the record I play an hybrid Rook similar to Janook's build.
Quoting lifekatana, reply 63
Whats this obsession of people with stats... they're absolutely horrible.
Yes towers CAN beat an Ooze UB, but CastleRook has a whole slew of his own problem. I don't see how a slow character that can't make a single kill vs non-retard players is even remotely as usefull as a super fast character that can only be sort of countered by some very specific builds. Note that "countering" just means standing up against UB, not beating him.
Just for the record I play an hybrid Rook similar to Janook's build.
Yes towers CAN beat an Ooze UB, but CastleRook has a whole slew of his own problem. I don't see how a slow character that can't make a single kill vs non-retard players is even remotely as usefull as a super fast character that can only be sort of countered by some very specific builds. Note that "countering" just means standing up against UB, not beating him.
Just for the record I play an hybrid Rook similar to Janook's build.
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cha ching, money shot.
What confuses me is I just beat Obscenitor playing his hybrid UB with a fast hammer rook, he died 9 times, but after i logged off and then came back. I got a message saying "The way you play summarizes everything wrong with this game." " Seriously fuck off." He had a pretty stacked team So i dont really know what his problem is... i guess he doesnt like losing to random people.
Well he has a point rook doesnt need to be buffed, hes pretty good as is. But at higher levels noones really a match for UB 1v1.
Heres the replay was a pretty good game, it kind of disproves all the Rook is underpowered proposals and i very rarely play him so its not like im that skilled at it
http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=99548
and what he wrote me after =/, thought it was worthy of a screenshot, he really doesn't like to lose
I don't like to lose a game playing at half speed for an hour and a half to three guys who just buy journeyman's treads and do nothing but portal lock for, I shit you not, thirty minutes straight. Thirty minutes of giants before the citadel went down, and you're arguing that your strat proves rook's viability? I would say that it argues portal locking and Erebus can win the game IN SPITE of how you played, especially because you only stood your ground at all due to constant teleganking 3v1s and 3v2s.
Rook IS a very viable DG, but your gameplay sure as hell didn't prove it there. It just proved that latency, incessant cap locks, and idiotic speed procs make this game not worth playing more and more these days.
Your strategy DID show basically everything that's wrong with this game, and again fuck you for the shitty logic presented here. Just because you can irritate me with your playstyle doesn't mean that any character is strong or weak. I played badly that game and likely ruined it for my team by feeding, but does that prove UB is weak? Of course not.
No, I don't really even see why I bother talking to you if you think that this kind of non sequitur approach is actually a logical way to discuss balance. Your pic belongs in the hall of shame, it makes zero sense to post it here as some kind of support for your perspective on balance.
p.s. I didn't start slaughtering you at the end because UB becomes invulnerable, I started killing you because for the first time all game it wasn't incessant 2v1s and 3v1s.
It's been my observation that the more the game lags, the better really shitty players can do. It really evens the gap - the best players make the proper decision the first time, without really having to think about it. The massive lag allows poor players time to make the right decision that they wouldn't have made before. In any portal locking chase-a-thon, Erebus and Oak have an incredible advantage. Meanwhile, his team had a QoT, which means that lasting 60 minutes is something of a victory on it's own.
Yeah because the lag never made my hammer not go off after boulder about 8 times did it. Lag is not an excuse when it affects everyone. This is a team game why werent you properly utilizing your teammates if you want to complain about 2v1 and 3v1. Oh and if we played so horribly how did we push you back twice, recapping all flags after you recapped everything but ours, twice.
Pertaining to the topic, I was showing how a speed increased rook can be as viable as a hybrid UB in survivability and damage. Which I was.
The reason I posted that screenshot was just to show how rude you are, it was a fun game but because you lost you had to be an ass. I thought it supported some points not on Rooks viability but your attitude. Thanks I am done with you 
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Quoting Bobek_XY, reply 62
Also, stats are amazing on beast, reg, and any general with a minion build.
Did you take the time to read what they actually do?
yes, and they are easily beaten with just one good item
+115 Health 6 skills for: +690 Health
+0.18 Health Regeneration +1.08 Health Rege.
+2% Attack Speed +12% Att Sp
+25 Armor +150 Armor
+105 Mana +630 Mana
+0.32 Mana Regeneration +1.92 Mana Rege
+6 Weapon Damage +36 Weapon Dam
moral is better, but still not good enough imo
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or you can have 1 good item and stats
or you can have 1 good item and stats
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Marginal analysis FTW! You should be an economist.
Quoting Epiphenomenon, reply 72
or you can have 1 good item and stats
Marginal analysis FTW! You should be an economist.
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Think of it this way.
You have 5 item slots. Stats is like having a 6th item that gives you hp, armor, hp regen, attack speed increase, + dmg, extra mana and mana regen.
I wouldn't go for stats on every dg, but an ooze beast with stats is nice.
Quoting playgroundlegend, reply 73
I wouldn't go for stats on every dg, but an ooze beast with stats is nice.
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absolutly true! maybe the only one but for an ooze ub its greate!
I'm surprised no one said spit yet. As all I hear in my ooze build post is people laughing about how spit pwns ooze beast. Yet I have replays posted of me beating top players who used spit, and no one has posted a replay of them beating anyone using ooze no spit
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