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TB's fire build

TB and the meaning of life

from Demigod Forums

You know, most people, at first, get a game and want to play the easiest, simplest char.  In this case, it's usually regulus, lol.  After playing the game and seeing all the ins and outs, I want the most complicated DG... assuming it pays off (QoT = fail).  In this case, TB for me.

 

Ice build is the bees knees for tight knit team games, but in open matches, fire build is the way to go, imho.  If you can't work closely with teammates, ice build lacks the damage output for solo'ing a lane.

 

2 helms + staff of renewal, helped me figure out a few things.

 

Fireball is by far the best tower killer.  You stay out of range, it's relatively cheap for the damage after lvl 2, and has a quick cooldown.

Fire Ring is only useful when an enemy DG is closing in or to help deter or turn the fight when a friendly DG is trying to escape past you.  (sometimes I get at least lvl 1 or 2 in freeze, that delay plus the movement speed slow is perfect to help my guys get out.  Plus you can drop to the ground from fire to ice instantly, just keep hitting the key and you only lose like .2 secs)

Fire explosion is good in lvl 1 form until later (unless you are swimming in mana).  Clears minions quick, but not useful for damage output until the last 2 levels.

Fire Ring + sigil of vitality = enemy runs.

Fire Ring VS not-so-good DA is great.  They always run right into it and/or swap with you, putting themselves in the damage area. 

 

If anyone has more tips, please let me know.  I'm always looking for ways to optimize ol TB.  He's such a versatile DG, but you have to know which build you're taking early on.  I've yet to find a good hybrid build.  The interrupt is very limited in usefulness.  DA, Ere, QoT, Sedna, ETC all have near instant abilities, so you aren't going to purposefully get one on them (I've tried on sedna, but even if you're 100% ready, by time you click and the ability goes through, she's already finished healing).  So that leaves you with freeze (very nice!), rain of ice (good AoE, but expensive and not dmg heavy), and slow downs.  Slowing the enemy doesn't help much if they're chasing you, vs a fire build speed increase + any speed increasing item is much better.

 

 

 

 

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Reply #26 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting ntropy, reply 25
I still don't understand people not getting Blade of the Serpent. It free's up 2 slots not in use by mana items.
End of ntropy's quote
My only beef with it is that if I'm going full fire there's a good chance I'll end up getting Inspirational Flame with how quickly TB tends to levle, and at that point I always whish I had a Staff. It's a great item for TB though and of course a lot of games don't hit level 15 anyway.

Reply #27 from Demigod Forums Top

Lemme just sum up something important here about this thread and the OP's perspective:

 

300 HP/MP > 15% team run and attack speed

You never need speed early to save yourself

You should stand in tower range long enough for 300 health to be a huge boon

You'll never get an early kill or even try for one

 

It's an absurd set of statements.

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Reply #28 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting obscenitor, reply 27
Lemme just sum up something important here about this thread and the OP's perspective:

 

300 HP/MP > 15% team run and attack speed

You never need speed early to save yourself

You should stand in tower range long enough for 300 health to be a huge boon

You'll never get an early kill or even try for one

 

It's an absurd set of statements.
End of obscenitor's quote

Yet I just won again with Fire TB, using the exact same build. Took out 4 towers in a matter of mins, had 1 kill, 3 assists and took out majority of creeps, just like I was supposed to. BTW, I didn't die. Hmmmm.....

Reply #29 from Demigod Forums Top

Yet I just won again with Fire TB, using the exact same build. Took out 4 towers in a matter of mins, had 1 kill, 3 assists and took out majority of creeps, just like I was supposed to. BTW, I didn't die. Hmmmm.....
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You won a game, therefore 300HP/MP>15% team run and attack speed? Compelling logic.

Reply #30 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting obscenitor, reply 29

Yet I just won again with Fire TB, using the exact same build. Took out 4 towers in a matter of mins, had 1 kill, 3 assists and took out majority of creeps, just like I was supposed to. BTW, I didn't die. Hmmmm.....You won a game, therefore 300HP/MP>15% team run and attack speed? Compelling logic.

End of obscenitor's quote

I've won all my TB games with that build. Again, top 20 in wins with Fire TB. Like I said, you don't have to agree with the build, but the results don't lie.

Reply #31 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting wrastler118, reply 30
I've won all my TB games with that build. Again, top 20 in wins with Fire TB. Like I said, you don't have to agree with the build, but the results don't lie.
End of wrastler118's quote
Top 20 in wins with fire TB? Big fish in a little pond. I'm technically rank 2 on the entire ladder and that doesn't mean much either.

Lemme rephrase my point a bit: if you had picked fire aura instead of stats, would you have lost all those games you won?

Reply #32 from Demigod Forums Top

At the actual post not Wrastler, I always use BotS I have tried staff of renewal and I just can't keep the mana flowing like I can with BotS I would try that and hp stack instead of getting 2 helms you might like a beefer TB even if fireball has  a higher cooldown.

 

Reply #33 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting obscenitor, reply 31



Quoting wrastler118,
reply 30
I've won all my TB games with that build. Again, top 20 in wins with Fire TB. Like I said, you don't have to agree with the build, but the results don't lie.Top 20 in wins with fire TB? Big fish in a little pond. I'm technically rank 2 on the entire ladder and that doesn't mean much either.


Lemme rephrase my point a bit: if you had picked fire aura instead of stats, would you have lost all those games you won?
End of obscenitor's quote

Possibly because without the extra HP and mana, I would've died more often.

Reply #34 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting wrastler118, reply 33
Possibly because without the extra HP and mana, I would've died more often.
End of wrastler118's quote
Is it not also possible that in the games you won you or your teammates might have escaped death or gotten a kill if you'd been able to move 10% faster?

Reply #35 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting obscenitor, reply 34



Quoting wrastler118,
reply 33
Possibly because without the extra HP and mana, I would've died more often.Is it not also possible that in the games you won you or your teammates might have escaped death or gotten a kill if you'd been able to move 10% faster?

End of obscenitor's quote

Maybe, but the odds have proven this build is much better. Again, top 20 in Fire TB wins with this build.

Reply #36 from Demigod Forums Top

Maybe, but the odds have proven this build is much better. Again, top 20 in Fire TB wins with this build.
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By that logic If I got Mcshane87 to post here that you're wrong you'd admit you've been mistaken this whole time? Because you're only 20 and he's 18.

Reply #37 from Demigod Forums Top

Wrastler, let me put it simply. You are an arrogant fool with no inclination to ever take something from others. If you think you're so good we can play a game and just for you I'm even willing to play the demigod you so firmly distaste. 15% run speed AURA + 15% Attack speed AURA, + 30 weapon damage is better than 300 health.

Reply #38 from Demigod Forums Top

I find it funny how you guys seem to think you are so right. My build works for me and the wins with Fire TB prove it. And the only arrogance I see is coming from the people who are continuing to argue with me about it. Disagree all you want until you're blue in the face, it won't change my opinion.

Reply #39 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting wrastler118, reply 38
I find it funny how you guys seem to think you are so right. My build works for me and the wins with Fire TB prove it. And the only arrogance I see is coming from the people who are continuing to argue with me about it. Disagree all you want until you're blue in the face, it won't change my opinion.
End of wrastler118's quote
This sums up your appraoch to all feedback so far. You made this thread fishing for compliments and you didn't get them, so now you've fallen back to chest beating about how great your record is when it's not even very good.

I think any reasonable person would look at your posts so far and just conclude that they don't want you on their team. 300 HP is more important to you can 15% team run and attack speed, and yet you claim to be the ultimate team player. It's absurd on its face. If you're on the opposite team I'll see you in game, but I won't talk to you further here.

Reply #40 from Demigod Forums Top

I would love to play vs wrastler118.

I would hate to have him on my team.

Simple as that.

Reply #41 from Demigod Forums Top

Because it is good until you reach few levels. But later when you reach lv 7, .... you will have to buy at least 1 mana item. The time that you can stay in the farm with only Blade of serphent .. pretty little

Reply #42 from Demigod Forums Top

Yes fire aura is the only thing that can help teammates. But all the time fire TB does is that stay next to tower and killing creeps. He has no Unique skills. no stun, no warp, no invincible and everything but damage and range and Aoe. He is weak at early game. He is weak at mid game. He is nothing against giants. Even he use ring of fire and fire nova maxed, he will die in that spot

Reply #43 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting morpheas768, reply 40
I would love to play vs wrastler118.

I would hate to have him on my team.

Simple as that.
End of morpheas768's quote

We did and my team won very convincingly.

Reply #44 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting obscenitor, reply 39



Quoting wrastler118,
reply 38
I find it funny how you guys seem to think you are so right. My build works for me and the wins with Fire TB prove it. And the only arrogance I see is coming from the people who are continuing to argue with me about it. Disagree all you want until you're blue in the face, it won't change my opinion.This sums up your appraoch to all feedback so far. You made this thread fishing for compliments and you didn't get them, so now you've fallen back to chest beating about how great your record is when it's not even very good.


I think any reasonable person would look at your posts so far and just conclude that they don't want you on their team. 300 HP is more important to you can 15% team run and attack speed, and yet you claim to be the ultimate team player. It's absurd on its face. If you're on the opposite team I'll see you in game, but I won't talk to you further here.
End of obscenitor's quote

I wasn't fishing for compliments, just stating my opinion and my build for someone who asked. You don't like it, move on then. There are plenty of builds I've read about on here that I don't like, yet I don't go out of my way to pick them all apart like some computer geek who has nothing better to do. I offered my input and you felt the need to try and pick it apart. Pretty simply solution, you don't like my posts, don't read them.

Reply #45 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting wrastler118, reply 44
Pretty simply solution, you don't like my posts, don't read them.
End of wrastler118's quote

Will do.

Edit:

Quoting wrastler118, reply 43


We did and my team won very convincingly.
End of wrastler118's quote

Are you talking about this game? http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/993462/player/44457/

In this game you got raped and near the end you ragequitted. Unless if you think that ragequit = win.

In what game exactly did you win vs me? That is the only game we have played together, unless if i am mistaken.

Post a link please.

Reply #46 from Demigod Forums Top

Also: where exactly are you top 20 with TB?

I see you have:

Wins: 146
Win Percentage: 58%
Losses: 107

Can you post a link? Maybe i am missing something.
Reply #47 from Demigod Forums Top

Beyond the fact that the 15% speed can help you *and* your teammates survive (you are playing the TB = support, right?) better than a paltry 300 or so HP + mana, it's pure gold in that the 15% speed boost helps you position yourself that much better, even with tp scrolls on hand.

 

As for BotS, it's absolutely amazing for holding a lane with CoF, as you have essentially unlimited mana.  However, I generally feel safer with the extra HP from BotF or the movement speed from swift.  And for lvl 10+, I feel that Staff is by far superior.

Reply #48 from Demigod Forums Top

rastler, I've played 2 games with you, on your team. Your build pretty much sucks and so does your teamplay. You are not as good of a player that you think you are and half the game you're off in la-la land being rather unhelpful. Do remember when you double-farm from the XP flag you're stealing the rest of the teams' XP, which was why were we both underleveled while you were overleveld, and feeling smug about how awesome you were. Then, you would never use your level advantage to help fight, and instead to run around the map destroying towers. Admitiably useful, but 2v3 the whole game is difficult and hurts our warscore.

Is that better? I was at least being polite before hand.


I wasn't impressed with your skills either and I was defiantely carrying you. See how I can say that too without actual proof.

Like I said, top 20 in wins with Fire TB. I must be doing something right.
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Also, you're completely avoiding the part where I corrected your horrible misunderstanding of game mechanics.

This is the current ladder for TB:

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/rankings/demigod/1/

Surely you wouldn't consider some 14-8 newb to be the authority of TB, correct? I mean, 24 games? 5th place is even better! 1-1.

Let's do a sort by wins and...aww there you are, Mister 20. But that really just means you have a lot of time. I mean, using that logic I'm 5th best Sedna player in this game but I really doubt that I am, I've got plenty to learn.

Also, fun game, if you sort by losses you're 27th! Does that make you the 27th worst TB in the game? Hmmm....

 

Reply #49 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting morpheas768, reply 46
Also: where exactly are you top 20 with TB?

I see you have:

Wins: 146
Win Percentage: 58%
Losses: 107


Can you post a link? Maybe i am missing something.
End of morpheas768's quote


No this game. http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1094340/player/44457/

Nice try though.

Reply #50 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting abuggeredhedgie, reply 48
rastler, I've played 2 games with you, on your team. Your build pretty much sucks and so does your teamplay. You are not as good of a player that you think you are and half the game you're off in la-la land being rather unhelpful. Do remember when you double-farm from the XP flag you're stealing the rest of the teams' XP, which was why were we both underleveled while you were overleveld, and feeling smug about how awesome you were. Then, you would never use your level advantage to help fight, and instead to run around the map destroying towers. Admitiably useful, but 2v3 the whole game is difficult and hurts our warscore.

Is that better? I was at least being polite before hand.



I wasn't impressed with your skills either and I was defiantely carrying you. See how I can say that too without actual proof.

Like I said, top 20 in wins with Fire TB. I must be doing something right.


Also, you're completely avoiding the part where I corrected your horrible misunderstanding of game mechanics.

This is the current ladder for TB:

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/rankings/demigod/1/

Surely you wouldn't consider some 14-8 newb to be the authority of TB, correct? I mean, 24 games? 5th place is even better! 1-1.

Let's do a sort by wins and...aww there you are, Mister 20. But that really just means you have a lot of time. I mean, using that logic I'm 5th best Sedna player in this game but I really doubt that I am, I've got plenty to learn.

Also, fun game, if you sort by losses you're 27th! Does that make you the 27th worst TB in the game? Hmmm....

 
End of abuggeredhedgie's quote

 

Do you have replays of those games in which I sucked? Please enlighten me. If not, no need to lie to make your point.