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[quote]They did not mean it as a transfer of funds from one individual to another. They meant it in the most general sense -- general welfare. Not individual welfare.[/quote] More tunnel vision??? and the problem i am seeking a solution for is an individual problem? it is general and affecting the whole neighborhood. the problem is caused by individuals ... these individuals have to be dealt with one at a time .... you look at the last section of the solution and scre

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[quote]If you have three runners: One an olympic long distance runner. The other the average American. And the last an incredibly out of shape obese man. What do you think will be the distance difference between them over time?[/quote] and that is equivelant to income disparity? the 1% who won the race by 228% used their own energy? no one else contributed significantly to and are integral part of their achievements? they thought, planned, designed, coordinated, constructed, s

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[quote]I can't help it if you refuse to learn history or read up on this subject. But if you're going to make posts on the subject, is it really too much to ask that you educate yourself on the basics before making arrogant responses about it?[/quote] What a response to a realistic and existing problem? I, the ignorant and uneducated sugegsted something .... and what did you, the highly educated and intelligent, suggest? Nothing. Dont assume too much Draginol, .....

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[quote]ThinkAloud, you really need to quit thinking in terms of ideology and start thinking for yourself. Think about why things are the way they are free from politics.[/quote] First time in my life ..... and it is not a small number of years ... that someone tells me that. They(everyone ... family, friends, coworkers, supervisors, ... etc)always say why do you always disagree with everything ... cant you for once go along? I always respond by saying, I am not inventing thin

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[quote]First of all, you give the miscreants 6 month's notice to get a job, keep their kids in school, and maintain their property...or else. The community then offers assistance in all these matters, helping to find work, maybe arranging transportation to school, pitching in to repair property damage, whatever is needed to help these folks meet the demands.[/quote] Great solution..... No one ever said we need more than that. and why 6 month? iwould do it as soon as they are offered job

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[quote]the people are supposed to be represented in congress by the Representatives. the states are supposed to be represented in congress by Senates. and we all know how good a job they are doing with these jobs. the nation is represented by the president. [/quote] There is nothing wrong with how Our Nation is set up. The discussion is about what to do regarding the common interests and problems and how to fund the solutions to both issues. The idea that the gov. should not ca

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[quote]then explain chinas turn toward free market. [/quote] because they realized (from USSR's failure) that they were following the wrong theory. and they started to care. That is why. but they still collect taxes ... much more than any taxes we have here .... and they are succeeding..... Thanks again for proving another of my points. It is not proper taxes that hurt ... it is excessive taxes or no taxes which cause economic failure.

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[quote]The point I was trying to make with my analogy, which clearly I failed to communicate to you, is that when a government starts to take excessively from one person to give to another person with the first citizen gaining nothing tangible in return, you ultimately harm the entire society (or neighborhood) as that person would "move out". In a nation state, it is more difficult to move out but at some point, those people will simply find ways to hide what they produce.[/quote] You d

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[quote]Soviet Russia did everything possible to make sure everyone was taken care of. That didn't work out very well.[/quote] That proves TWO points .... 1- the right's Scare tactics. 2- Ignore the problems to the peril of all. The USSR leadership never cared about the people, the country or the world for that matter .... and it is dead by the way if you hadn't noticed. They only cared about a theoritical idealogy AND about themselves. That is exactly why they fai

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[quote]They didn't contemplate things like federal income taxes or taking money from the citizenry to be handed out to others.[/quote] I dont mind discussions about different ways of doing things or to what extent should they be done. But to start debating that statement amounts to mere insanity. here is what the Constitution say: Section 8: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense

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you start with the city state. IE the main city in each county. City State or main city it doesnt matter ..... regardless of the terminology .... still the question exists. How do you solve the problem? Nations replaced City States and Unions replaced small nations for exacly the simple

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No, it just means your incoherent analogy falls apart easily . You proposed that analogy .... i just imposed the limitations which naturally exist in a nation to make it realistic. It falls apart easily due to the fallacy of the original analogy. as i said earlier : If you remove thes

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Have a wonderful Christmas Thanks so much Ted and Merry Christmas to you too. .... and to all of the JU community and Admin for putting up with us all.

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I generally enjoy the company of left-wingers to right-wingers Naturally of course. Opposites Attract This is generally the case with me too. What is soooo interesting in debating with people who agree with you? That is why i stick around at JU ..... most people here are righties and some are even far-righties ..... but i stay with

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[quote]never confuse my disagreeing with your beliefs as a sign that I don't have the utmost respect for you.[/quote] I never confuse the two. Thanks so much for the nice words. The feelings are mutual by the way. and very Merry Chistmas for you and your family. Hope you relax and enjoy the time off.....dont think about taxes. it is just money :D .

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The interior is where the Porsche does not shine. Technologically, the Porsche 911 Turbo for 2008 is primitive. If you asked me .... I could have told you that Yeeeeears ago, a friend of mine had one of them ... Silver and beautiful from the outside. We carpooled for a while. when i got in the car for the first time and started to look

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thanks a lot Draginol ..... I am not gifted .... 23 out of 37 (62.2%). I knew that ..... but i was hoping to be proven wrong. you happy now ?

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i guess everyone will have to own cows and/or goats. the towns wont allow that either. i guess we have to use the old fashion machetes. I bet the ERs across the country will be full of men (and some women i am sure) with missing toes <

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Don't assume that anyone interested in discussing politics is inherently "far left" or "far right". Of course not. And like you, I enjoy discussing politics too (otherwise we wouldnt be writing all that stuff ). I dont

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I believe that most people in this great USA of ours are reasonable and deal with life in a more or less moderate way. Each of us sure have their unreasonable moments every once in a while, but in general most of us don’t get fixated on one or few particular issues and keep complaining about and/or discussing them endlessly without any specific objective in mind.

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you construct a scenario which, to me, makes no sense. I just can't imagine why anyone would move into a community that does not allow outside help, does not have educational institutions from the get go, does not provide healthcare unless you can afford it, has income for mortgage, food and utilities that I have yet to figure wh

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Last I checked rules A, B and C do not apply to the US Are you saying in the US: A- We exile bad people to outside the country? B- If someone doesnt like the Gov. policy, they would wish to leave the country? (if that was true 65% of the people would have been out by now) C- We seek (and wi

A Nation or A Neighborhood in US Domestic JoeUser Forums

In a series of comments between Draginol and I on his thread of the analogy between a Neighborhood Association and a Nation, Draginol said the following: I believe people should help their fellow citizens in time of need. I do not, however, believe that people should be forced to help their fellow citizens at the point of a gun. And he als

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[quote]What are you talking about? What control do you suppose people like me want over you?[/quote] Not you Draginol, the people who support unauthorized spying on citizens, the people who support take-over of small private properties for the benefit of a major private commercial project, people who support laws to manipulate federal spending in a way that affects private affairs of citizens, people who support signing statements that expand executive power beyond all normal limits (s

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[quote]Your usage of the term seems to imply that only the federal government of the United States can do the things you wish to have occur in "the nation".[/quote] I think you GOT it. and yes, there are few IMPORTANT and VITAL things only a Gov can do to ensure that the wellbeing and progress of ALL its citizens are being carried out properly. Examples: proper education in ALL States in order to maintain a level playing field for all globally, Sound energy policy to ensure independence