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To: kingbee I forget where, but in one of the letters of the Tentmaker (Romans or Hebrews, I think) he states that the whole of creation groans in anticipation of the glorious liberties of a redeemed reality. The doctrine of the franciscans in relation to such things is that while animal and vegetable existence is subject to the fallen nature of reality, their participation in that subjection is innocent and a participation in the sinless suff

Reply to Why there is no sin in Religion JoeUser Forums

To: ThinkAloud your point is this, and please correct me if i misunderstood you: Why would a God who we say is sooo Great,Omnipotent, All-Knowing, Just, Eternal .... etc make certain actions "Sins"? this is your question. First, let me say I appreciate the enthusiasm with which you have respond

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To: Jythier Did I hurt oo's ittle wittle feelings? Awwww. Never mind, because I certainly won't. I told you, I don't suffer fools gladly - or politely. Basically, your whole essay is worthless, because you start with the premise that original sin was created by St. Augustine to prove that sin does not e

Reply to Why there is no sin in Religion JoeUser Forums

To: lulapilgrim What's inheritance if not transmission? Property is transmitted from one generation to another by inheritance. Genetic charactistics are inherited from parents by their children and that genetic inheritance is passed on or transmitted from one generation to another. Your attempted distinction is nonsense. Secondly, Augustine defined Original Sin as originating in the Fall - as you describe. His contribution was to defi

Reply to Why there is no sin in Religion JoeUser Forums

To: ThinkAloud PS: I read some of the links. I understand that you actually believe in the existence of a God. If this is the case, then on what bases you say there is no Sin? Belief in a god doesn't entail belief in sin. What if your God has no interest in sin? What if your God is involved in

Reply to Why there is no sin in Religion JoeUser Forums

To: lulapilgrim Firstly, since I freely confess to no longer being a Christian, to finding its theology nonsensical, its practice to be destructive on a personal level and conducive of the crassest and most simple-minded authoritarianism in political terms, there's very little point to berating me on grounds which I explicitly refuse to recognise. Your dictionary refers to the tradition of observance formed by the Judaeo-Christian rev

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To: Jythier You're an idiot - go revise your reading comprehension skills. When you can grasp the meaning of determine, and are able to do more than repeat what you have already said in slightly different words, I'll consider talking to you. Unless your next comment is worth thinking about I'll simply delete that comment and any subsequent ones you post. I don't suffer fools gladly. <TABLE cellpadding=8 width="95%" align=center bgCol

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To: ThinkAloud You starting your church with blazing fireworks here. It is good and raises great issues. I would love to engage you in a serious insult-free and open-minded discussion about these issues. Sweet of you to say, and provided you don't follow the example of Jythier, then I'd be happ

Reply to Why there is no sin in Religion JoeUser Forums

Let's begin with Jythier. Absolutely. Sin is the construction of God, who wishes to determine the course of your life so that your life serves God's interests, not yours. Why would I be digging a hole to hide in, again? Sin is the construction of God, as a means to determine the believer's life

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Why there is no sin in Religion JoeUser Forums

There is no such thing as original sin. There is no such thing as 'sin' at all. Original sin as sexual sin began life with the writings of Saint Augustine of Hippo, one of the most influential Christian writers and thinkers in the history of the Church. Augustine was not always a Christian. He was a convert from Manicheanism, and before his fascination with

Reply to The Church of the Negative Christ in Religion JoeUser Forums

To: Zydor Nice of you to stop by and patronise me, and I appreciate the magnanimity of your condescion. Do be careful you don't choke to death on it. Because than I'd have to choose whether to die of a broken heart immediately on hearing of your tragic demise - or later. I think I'd choose later. Onward, through the fog... <TD class=

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The Church of the Negative Christ in Religion JoeUser Forums

As of approximately fifteen minutes ago I am an ordained minister of the Universal Life Church Monastery. I will shortly be receiving my Ordination Package, including a legal certificate of ordination which I will immediately present to the County Clerk, who will authorize me to solemnize marriage in the Commonwealth of Virginia. An astounding thing to any

Reply to Authoritarianism Alive and Well in Religion JoeUser Forums

You think America is an authoritarian society? America ? Let me tell you a little about authoritarianism. An authoritarian state, in its pure form, acknowledges no rights of citizenship - other than the 'right' to obey the state. Since the State is the supreme source for the determination both of what is legal and what is right, both what is legal and what is right may change at a moment's notice or without notice at all. Contrary to p

Reply to Apology to Our Troops in Iraq in Politics JoeUser Forums

Serving soldiers who are citizens are soldiers first, and civilians after. That's how it must be in time of war - because no war in the history of wars has ever been concluded with even a measure of success when the chain of command has been placed in jeopardy. In a battle situation there is no time to hold a focus group and debate the merits of any given battle-plan or strategy. War is about killing - killing more of theirs than they kill of ours - de

Reply to Are Christian Children Bullies? in Blogging JoeUser Forums

Xavier, bless his little cotton socks, may just have discovered one of the keys that unlocks the universe. There's prayer, which is whining supplication; and there's invocation, which is an expression of the will. Whatever you will, if you truly will it and have no concern for it (if you are without that 'lust for results' which can be the Magickian's greatest stumbling block) will occur. Every time. Without fail. Perhaps Xav

Reply to Death of America in Current Events JoeUser Forums

Actually, you aren't missing much. There was never a time when either Hobbes or Kant sat down and said to themselves 'let's make an individual'. Hobbes's chief concern was Sovereignty. He was born in the year of the Spanish Armada that sailed against England, and he lived through the English Civil War. Questions of who rules and on what basis were his chief concern. But in the process he established a framework of right and legitimacy that centered on the actions of bodies in motion<

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The particular paradoxes of any given life are just that - particular to that life. Which isn't to say that they aren't intertwined with paradoxes of the situation that we are in - just that they are not necessarily the same. I don't doubt your passion for self-destruction is a part of our relationship - but neither do I think it's charcteristic of most BDSM-type experiences. At least, not with your intensity. But, in general, there are two things that explain the apparent para

pain terror sex - 101 in Misc JoeUser Forums

A warning in advance. This article deals with issues of deviant sex and deviant sexuality and discusses them graphically, with no consideration (other than this warning) given to the more tender sensibilities of some among us. If you're offended or disturbed by such things - read no further. Since I've recently had cause and insp

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Passion doesn't think. You can think about passion, but there is no thought during it. Which is why you disappear, only to reappear as you . Which is why, before engaging in blood sports or breath play, or any of the innumerable BDSM practices that are potentially life-threatening, you have to know yourself; know what you're capable of, and in considerable depth. Which is why the net, in the form of a particular chat client know

Reply to If you want not to see yourself, look in a mirror in Misc JoeUser Forums

I've no doubt your for real and probably in ways that would make me very uncomfortable. I'm a perfectly charming monster. And were we ever to meet, I promise you there wouldn't be a scalpel or ballgag or whip anywhere to be seen. Not even fluffy ones. Besides, Sabrina would be unhappy if I tortured you,

Reply to If you want not to see yourself, look in a mirror in Misc JoeUser Forums

Thank you for the advice, and I will be careful. I know that there's a part of me that.....well, that would shock most people if they knew what it was about. Fuck, it shocks me sometimes. I'm also aware that it's a part of me that, once awakened, would be very difficult to (as you said) put back to sleep again. I'm not prepar

If you want not to see yourself, look in a mirror in Misc JoeUser Forums

A warning in advance. This article deals with issues of deviant sex and deviant sexuality and discusses them graphically , with no consideration (other than this warning) given to the more tender sensibilities of some among us. If you're offended or disturbed by such things - read no further. Dylan Zimmerman recently wrote an

Reply to Death of America in Current Events JoeUser Forums

Philosophy doesn't have to be unintelligible. It doesn't have to use words that the average intelligence, shaped by an average education, can understand. Grrrrrrrr. That should be 'can't'.