[quote]this one girl[/quote] ?
Silver_and_Jade_Tears
[quote]Agnosticism is a belief as well as atheism is a belief. Agnosticism is a belief that one cannot know God. [/quote] This is incorrect. Agnosticism Greek: α- a- , without + γνώσις gnōsis , knowledge Without knowledge . It is not "without belief," or "a be
Once, twice, three times a posting... Double post.
[quote]That was not meant for you, Silver, but for taltamir and his poster. I should have specified that, sorry.[/quote] Ah. Yes, quotes work fantastically for situations like that... [e digicons];)[/e] Though German's may never encounter that same kind of situation, the fact that English colonists were especially sensitive to the abuse of authority (what can happen when you trust an authority), and they have since seen many instances in which trust
[quote]I've made a lot of mistakes in my life, and unfortunately...people tie them to me. [/quote] That happens to everyone, lol. It is inevitable.
You know Leauki, you should also start adding to your list how evolution and eugenics are different, considering people want to claim that eugenics are Darwinian.
[quote]Can you for once be not polemic? You just sound like a redneck hooligan all the time[/quote] Well, considering the fact that I have not stated what I believe in regards to the 2nd amendment, you really have no basis for this claim, do you? So you are attempting to insult me for an unknown reason, and I am stepping out.
[quote]For the agnostic: if you know that you don't know anything, then at least you know that much. But that means you have positive knowledge of something and you no longer have to be agnostic. You may say that you should doubt everything but you don't doubt that. So if there is one thing you can know then there might be other things, and your position has proven itself to be false. [/quote] KFC, being an agnostic doesn't mean you are some sort of nihilist. It isn't doubting i
[quote] then when he started dragging the past in...THAT is when it got personal.[/quote] Trap. LoL.
Hahahahaha, Utemia, I am not arguing on how WWII and the holocaust happened, simply that it seems to come down to a trust in the authorities.
[quote]That is still true, but the german mentality of today is not the same as 75 years ago. You can not compare it.[/quote] While that is likely true, Americans see that as an example of what can happen when you trust in the authorities. That it happened only 75 years ago is proof that trust in an authority can prove to be a mistake no matter the time period, and so the 2nd amendment is, therefore, still logical. "If it happened then, it can happen again."
[quote]When you question whether or not you believe something, it automatically implies that you have reached the end of the intellectual chain of reasoning as well as the end of the achievable data. You now have to guess.[/quote] This is my point, and the reason that agnoticism is not a belief. It is simply the "intellectual chain," as you put it, and theism and atheism can, and do, both spout off the end of that chain.
[quote]No one can say with 100% surety that there is no god.[/quote] Let's change that to "No one can say with 100% surety that there is, or isn't a god." I believe that statement is true. That means that everyone is an agnostic, and just choose to be either an atheist, or a theist. We cannot PROVE anything, we don't have the knowledge. But we can BELIEVE or DISBELIEVE. Am I making my point at all? LoL.
In addition, an agnostic can still choose to follow the belief of a theist. "I have no rational proof that god exists, but I feel it is right, so I choose to believe that he does." This is why testimony is important in the Bible; if you don't have a rational explaination, at least you have what you have experienced, and what you feel is right to believe.
[quote] Saying I don't know is really saying you don't believe. [/quote] I cannot agree with this. Saying "I don't know," means that you do not have the information that would lead to the knowlege of being able to say yes or no. Saying "I don't believe" means that it doesn't matter on whether or not you have that knowlege, you simply don't believe the statement to be true. In this case, it is the existence of a god, but it can be espanded to
[quote]The holocaust and world war 2 had nothing to do with wether guns were available or not.[/quote] I believe that taltimar is making a reference to your statement on trusting the authorities, not on the availability of weapons.
[quote]I will be extremely surprised if he's pissed because I used my brain and had my doubts.[/quote] Well, people seem to think that their god(s) have emotions that are limited to the same spectrum that human emotions are... so if he was a jealous god, he would be angry that you used your logic and didn't spend your life expounding upon his virtues, despite you using that logic, for example, finding a way to decrease world hunger.
[quote]It should not be impossible to have a neutral debate about a political issue, no less.[/quote] I would not say impossible, rather, it is very unlikely. [quote] lol it is a wonder that your political system works at all if everybody that is emotionally involved is automatically excused from acting rationally[/quote] Well, in actually being in America, I wouldn't say it "works," it is simply what we have. (That of course is my own opinion.) In fa
Lol, I think you got yourself into that one. Remember, you can't take so much stuff so personally. He was angry and annoyed and made a sweeping generalization, and you did fall for his trap, and took it personally.
[quote]I mean forming real relationships, breaking the barrier that separate us, seeing each other as fellow humans and not as outsiders.[/quote] How can we do this on a global level when we can't even do it in our own country? If we could do it in our own country, this...: [quote]I don't think we, the little people, have much say in the matter. [/quote] ... wouldn't be an issue because we would be able to put aside our hatred of "THE OTHER SIDE," and join
[quote]you see in the crap I write is just an image of your own insecurities..[/quote] Actually, couldn't that be said of the world as a whole? Everything we see and understand is a mirror of ourselves. Thus the taoistic belief that studying the universe is the only way to truly understand yourself.
[quote]Mmm, I went there in 1998 to visit an aunt, so it's been a while. [/quote] I'm thinking very young, as in late 80's here. :D
KFC, I believe this entire story and article is a logical fallacy, simply because of this there is a difference between a belief (Christianity) and a philosophy (agnosticism). Beliefs of all sorts will change lives, both for the better, and the worse. Philosophy is another word for "the study of" and can inspire belief, but is not in and of itself a type of belief. Atheism, however, does regard belief.
I don't know why, but Cody sounds vaguely familiar... I think I have been there before, though it would have been when I was very young. Thank you for the recommendation, I will keep it in mind.
I am assuming that you are referencing your Floridian friend here? Considering that he is an American, and evidently very emotionally involved in the debate, it's understandable why he couldn't argue the point from a nuetral standpoint. Very few people can when they are emotionally involved.