Feel free to draw your own conclusions: http://dujs.dartmouth.edu/spring-2009/is-altruism-good-for-the-altruistic-giver http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/2/2102/1.html
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[quote]I wouldn't call it indulging; I actually just do it and really don't notice any sort of "feel good," emotion. I do it because someone needs help, and I have the measn. Granted, I don't know, maybe, just maybe there is deep, deep, deep down, but that isn't to say that it's being done for selfish interest or selfishness.[/quote] Perhaps not a concious thought of "how will this help me," but an instinctual one? I read somewhere that performing acts of selflessness actually p
[quote]Satisfaction really isn't in play when I go out and help people; it is never about me, it is about them and their need and what can be done to help them.[/quote] Mm... you have compassion, and indulging in compassionate acts makes you feel good, and since it makes you feel good and it doesn't cause unneccesary harm, you deem such acts right. Right?
[quote]I do it becuase it is right; there are others out there who are in need and I feel that it is the right thing to do.[/quote] Ooooh indirect self-gratification. :D Who deems this "right"?
[quote]I'm glad to hear that. I didn't know you did. I thought this was all about your not believing in the afterlife. [/quote] If you can't argue against it, you shouldn't be arguing for it. At least, that's how I view things. It's not so much about me believing or not believing in the afterlife, so much as finding an amusing irony in the fact we spend our lives preparing for death.
[quote]Einstein was a Jew. He didn't believe in a personal God like many Christians do but he did believe in a deity or a creator. He knew there was something out there.[/quote] He may have been a Jew by heritage, but not really through his beliefs. (Does that make sense?) And yes, Einstein referenced God a good many times, so I agree that he believed in a diety of some kind.
[quote]There's a theory (for want of the right term), I don't rememeber the name, that suggests that emotions can be used for your sake. Instead of being just wildly angry, you can use that anger. You could divert it to a positive use. Example: I was angry at a friend, so...instead of lashing out I used it to get stuff done.[/quote] Understand the premise, have actually acted upon said premise. I didn't know there was an actual theory for it though... but then t
[quote]Either you use it, or uses you. Right?[/quote] Hadn't thought of it like that.
[quote]Bored and pissed off; So no one tick me off or I'll open a can of whup yer behind![/quote] Lol, but emotion doesn't make a good, logical, argument.
[quote]But his word does, right? If the Bible is the word of God, then why the claimed missing parts? If there are gospels and other parts that are apocryhpa - then yes, that is revising or adjusting. You cannot accept things selectively, right?[/quote] Ah, and now comes the argument between KFC and Lula about which books of the Bible were put there by who, etc. etc. etc. Sheesh Alderic, are you bored today? :D
[quote]If I'm not mistaken, Einstein held that belief in a god was not incompatible with science, but I'm not so sure that he believed organized religion and science 'go together' as you suggest, or that the Bible and science do so.[/quote] I don't think that Einstein believed in the God that Christians do either. Actually, not really any theological description of God. So you can't really compare Einstein's beliefs in a god, and science, and the Christian belief
[quote]I'm much more willing to do things for God than I ever would be for myself. If it wern't for Him, I doubt I would do much that wouldn't benefit myself. [/quote] It could be argued (endlessly, I am sure) that by doing things for God, you are doing them for yourself. You want to be considered good/moral by God, and spend eternity in heaven, so you obey God.
All the "debate" on here comes from two groups of people... Those that "know" there is an afterlife, and those that accept that this life may be all we have. Coming from it from the perspective of those that "know" there is an afterlife, and that certain sacrifices must be made in this life in order to gain a desirable place in the afterlife (ie: heaven over hell), I completely understand why you live the way you do. As KFC said, it brings you peace. I understand
[quote]Your point of comparison also doesn't lessen or justify these unethical and dishonest doings by scientists in the medical and pharmalogical fields.[/quote] I didn't attempt to lessen or justify it, I just simply pointed out that religion and science both have corruption because people are corrupt.
The reason why I posted it is becasue the main gist of what she is saying refutes the notion that life is an absurdity. To me, yes, spending life preparing for death is an absurdity.
[quote]So you cannot fathom that while one is "attempting to receive a better afterlife" that he can't make this world a better one in the progress? [/quote] Actually, I can fathom it. However, look at all the wars, and pain that has been caused, (for both religion, and other secular ideals) because of people's attempt at reaching a certain afterlife. Yes, the two can co-exist, however, in our world today, (and in the world's history) they haven't. </
while their atheistic counterparts put their faith in Science that is either continually changing or deliberately falsified. That is where, in my opinion, you implied that if one were to believe in science, they were an atheist. Perhaps I misunderstood.
First, there are just as many corrupt people in religion as there are in science. There are good and bad people in every possible group. It's just how it is. Second, there are people that claim to be religious so they can be viewed as credible to others that are religious. They don't really care about how God may judge them. Third, there have been hoaxes from both the religious and scientific fields. Lying is in human nature, so you will get it from every end
[quote]Here on Earth, things like the light bill, gas for my car, my bosses need to have todays work done yesterday and little thing called food don't exactly make it easy to just "live life".[/quote] As you stated, some people live to sing, live to race, etc. Perhaps you live for that kind of life. As long as you find more enjoyment in it than suffering, and feel it is for you, then by all means, spend you life that way. This goes back to understanding there are con
[quote]they just live, should we do the same?[/quote] I wouldn't say that animals (in a natural setting) "just live," they survive. We have evolved past that stage, for the most part, so we have the chance to "just live." So yes. But not in the way you are comparing to animals.
[quote]So don't feel bad about us. We're not being robbed of enjoying our life here on earth. We just know it's going to be so much better in the afterlife and we are prepared. We look forward to that day knowing what we have here won't light a candle to where we're going.[/quote] More power to you.
[quote]As if repeating the same wrong action will somehow yield different results.[/quote] So similar to Einstein's definition of insanity: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
All politicians are frauds. It's what makes them good at what they do. So here's a thought... why don't we stop voting for both the Republicans, and the Democrats. They are both corrupt, and have their own agendas that do nothing for the American people. But no... instead the conservatives will blame everything on the liberals, and the liberals will blame everything on the conservatives, and in the meantime our country disintigrates. It's a game the Amer
In trying to make sense of your post Charles, I assume that you are taking my question (why do we spend life preparing for death) and using it to debate arguments I didn't present: Should we not live with any thought of tomorrow? There will be consequences for our actions in this life, so yes, we should think of how we choose to live. Didn't say we shouldn't consider what may happen if we, say, kill someone, or rob a bank. That would be a
[quote]I say some because I do not have enough information to state a majority or not. I'm curious, should we ignore the needs of a child who can not survive on it's own? I ask because often I hear people use words like "taught", "ingrained" and other similar words and I can't help but question why we are so concerned with responsibility of educating children and then question those resposnible. Why do you, me or anyone else believe that our idea of education should be the standard while at t