[quote who="Jythier" reply="43" id="3312485"]It's no wonder you don't understand anything about Christianity when I talk about it [ you know damn well that most of my conversations have opposed the RCC and their bible ], because you keep viewing it through the lens of an ex-Catholic . Here's the problem - you cannot get Catholic interpretations from reading the Bible alone. They don't add up. [<spa
[quote who="Jythier" reply="41" id="3312371"]GFT, did you ever trust in the finished work of Jesus [???] Christ for salvation?[/quote]Hello Jythier, the obvious answer is no but I don’t know what you are referring to by finished ? Because of what the Catholic Church has done to obfuscate the real words of Jesus (assuming some truth) with a barbaric tail of cruelty, absolute submission and sacrifices (especially the blood type) but only of the peasants bo
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="38" id="3311999"] For sure, my knowledge of Science is minimal , but over years of debating Darwin's ET[/quote] This is going to come back and bite you, take my word on it. One thing my Catholic research revealed to me, an important thing worth mentioning; I have sort of glossed over this ‘idol worship’ aspects of the RCC and Co. To recap: I was just born into Catholicism but that didn’t make me a Cat
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="101" id="3312018"]Fine... provide one and I'll give it a go. On second thought...don't waste your time or mine because Darwin's Evolution, change beyond kind, doesn't work. Never has, never will. You've been deceived.[/quote]Perfect example of inanity. All you need to do is talk to yourself because you are just so smart AND you have a bible. A Google search of "books on evolution” revealed some 1,160,000 results (in 0.7
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="33" id="3267624"]Although each and every word of Genesis need not be taken literally, the substance of the account of Creation is certainly true though we have not fully perceived every detail given in that account. And there is nothing in favor of Darwinism Evolution to justify doubting the direct formation of Adam and Eve by God.[/quote]Well which words are not literally true and which ones are? I think it safe to say that yo
There is not one scholastically accepted school book (< college level) that ANY creationist can offer up as some kind of contradiction, let alone shred it as any open-minded person can do with a literal bible, simply by reading the whole thing through. Depending on your own level of education, find me an algebra book, geometry book, trigonometry book or calculus book (as far as I can stretch myself) and point out the errors. None of you creationists will even attempt this because all
[quote who="Jythier" reply="99" id="3311385"]The earth isn't younger, things just last longer than we ever believed...[/quote]Sorry Jythier but there isn't enough for me to work with here as usual and I never know when you are being 'funny' or not. If you want to discuss something, you need to clarify it because I am only versed in things which creationists seem to consider the corrupted sciences ... which doesn’t compute for me. I am planning one more article considerin
It seems as if the bogus 'Religion of Atheism' is huh, well that is a relief, whew. But just as a going away present, I will offer one more clip supporting the prospect that many things theologians see as religions like "secular humanism and atheism' simply are not. A religion requires a professed conviction and a mere lack of conviction for the real life existence of what we see as mystical characters and works professed without support doesn't qualify. [video]http://
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="95" id="3311082"]Reply #95 lulapilgrim[/quote]AH don't believe that God exists or acts in human affairs. Does that sound like you? Yes it is, but I have no idea what others specifically believe in, but in light of honesty I will capitulate to your crude statement. As far as moralty, AH believe there are no enduring absolute standards of right and wrong. Does that sound like you? Same answer as above, until we lea
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="94" id="3311074"]You really must give this line a rest.[/quote]Don't have to because you keep bringing them into the mix. Just because I believe the pope to be a raving madman who consequently makes the RCC and Co. of equal stature doesn’t matter. There are no limits preventing me from expressing WHY I think this way. When I say I am not going to fight with the RCC, I mean that I have no intention of attempting to change any of their bigoted minds, an
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="94" id="3310994"]Now if you plan to check them out [ always do Lula ] and attack the messenger [ ditto ], like you did Robert Gentry and Jonathan Wells in Icons of Evolution, have at it, but I won't participate.[/quote]Not a problem, I already know the limits of your 'scientific' prowess so I read everything you post through many different filters. Because you are little more than a copy and paste' expert I look for
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="94" id="3310994"]lulapilgrim[/quote]Oh my, this will have to wait, I am watching a good Robin Hood movie I hadn't seen before but tomorrow is another day
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="90" id="3310959"]Yes, I realize I don't discuss according to your rubrics, (figuratively speaking), but you'll have to get used to it.[/quote]Lula I don’t have to get used to anything for your convince. “ Atheistic Humanism has its own dogmas, principles and tenets. ” That so, well list them or stop telling me you know what they are because I don’t know what they are??? You might also explain how you know they apply
[quote who="Jythier" reply="93" id="3310946"]GFT, are you saying there were no soft [ meat ] tissues found or that the ones that were found don't prove anything [ much ]?[/quote]Quite so!
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="91" id="3310964"]By the presence of your articles attacking religion and specifically Christianity, is evidence enough that you are not content with "the live and let live", "leave them alone" attitude toward those "rocks" (as you call us who believe in God, His Church or the Bible).[/quote]Lula you are devoid of shame as you must be. I have told you repeatedly that I hold all religions equally unimportant, dogmatic and without reason. I don’t see many Je
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="90" id="3310830"]There are two paths of life before us. There is either the Christian path where we worship and acknowledge God and His view of life or the Secular and Atheistic Humanist path where man worships himself and his moral relativistic view of life[/quote]You seem to have missed a few other available paths if one is looking for a belief in something that is undetectable, impotent and fictitious by all reckoning. The Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Polytheis
[quote who="lulapilgrim" reply="90" id="3310830"]The discovery of soft tissue with its nucleated blood cells in the carcass of a T-Rex has evolutionists in a dithering dither[/quote]I think not, you just do not even bother to read the scientific literature preferring to enlighten yourself through sites like 'Answer in Genesis so you don't do any of your own research, you just copy and paste. As in all things biblical and seeming all creationists junk science are infallible as if hahah
Lula do you have any idea of the difference between having a debate and teaching a Sunday school lesson? In a lesson you teach things as if they were true (regardless of facts) and no quarter is allowed for disagreements. A debate on the other hand needs be operated differently IMO. When opposing views collide all should expect opposition and this is where dogma becomes the impediment … when two people attempt to communicate. You have shown no tendency towards communication or debate &
Aside from the right to believe whatever we like, none of us are capable of doing anything besides helping, ignoring or harming others in the here-and-now no matter who we interact with. I don't have any problem with the Jew, the Christian or the Muslim ... whether they have a problem with me (and they usually do) or not. I try to take people at face value until I decide they are being unnecessarily deceptive or they appeal in blind faith to one dogma or another (take your pick, they
[quote who="Dr Guy" reply="86" id="3309762"]Reply #86 Dr Guy[/quote]Well dogma is dogma no matter what anyone else calls it and it does not allow for reason by its very definition. The problem is that there is no apparent reason to adhere to or believe in someone else’s dogma beyond the point of acknowledging it for what it really is. When you join the military, there is an abundance of dogma that you have agreed to honor &hell
The predictive power of evolution is driving the cutting edge of medicine today as well as in many other fields of research. We are trying to correct past mistakes made before evolutionary theory was properly applied while trying not to make similar mistakes. If there are reasonable arguments against evolution I don’t know what they are and I am tired of ‘it just cannot be”. I don’t think creationists can argue about any of it to be honest … so they spend
When creationist heavyweights cannot hold their own against a grade-schooler … well is there any reason to expect any better results when they are confronted and rebutted by actual scientists? I have never heard of one creation argument that presented any viable number at all, not one. Remember the tree of knowledge, well the first book of the bible makes it perfectly clear that human kind are unable to make any decisions about anything on their own unless revealed by the proper d
For a long time I was a skeptic concerning AGW, not that man wasn’t contributing mind you, but that it wasn’t the driving force. It just takes a while to open one’s eyes long enough to actually see for ourselves. I have trumpeted the cause of many dogmatic views simply because I was dogmatic in my own views and much of them were made from ‘bad evidence’. I am the trusting sort and tend to take people at their word. The only dogmatic conundrums that have
Creationists have learned through time that they CANNOT compete in the real world in any way particularly with numbers, so they don't even try. They make it a principle NOT to read something or someone who doesn’t buy into the creation myth. This means that they NEVER read the peer reviewed papers or the actual claims being made by the scientific community, nor do they read literature that is in any way deemed controversial. This means that we are looking at different datum’s
How many things do you retain from earlier times in life when you weren’t as discriminating as you are now? They used to call them old wives’ tales back in the day which originated in the oral tradition of storytelling as did many other things. The stories did not attempt to moralize, but to teach lessons and make difficult concepts like death or coming of age easy for children to understand. Also these stories are used to scare children so they don't do certain things. These
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